How would you determine the convergence or divergence of this Series

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The discussion revolves around determining the convergence or divergence of the series sum 1/n*sin(1/n) from n=1 to infinity. Participants explore various convergence tests and their applicability to this specific series.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the limit comparison test, the ratio test, and the integral test as potential methods for analyzing the series. Some express confusion over the application of these tests, particularly in relation to the harmonic series and the behavior of sin(1/n) as n approaches infinity.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the integral test, with some participants suggesting it yields a finite answer indicating convergence. Others question the conditions under which the integral test can be applied, especially concerning monotonicity and positivity of the function involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the series does not alternate and discuss the implications of this on the choice of convergence tests. There is mention of a mistake in previous comparisons, highlighting the importance of careful limit evaluations.

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sum 1/n*sin (1/n), n=1..infinity


I tried the limit comparison test, but I always get 0.
The ratio test is impossible
Comparison to the harmonic series cannot be used because 1/n*sin (1/n) is smaller than 1/n

Can you guys help?

Thanks
 
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Integral test yields a finite answer, so the series converges. For an easier solution you could compare the series to \frac{1}{n^{2}}
\lim_{n\to\infty}n\sin(\frac{1}{n})=1, and the geometric series converges.
 
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zcd said:
Integral test yields a finite answer, so the series converges. For an easier solution you could compare the series to \frac{1}{n^{2}}
\lim_{n\to\infty}n\sin(\frac{1}{n})=1, and the geometric series converges.

I see where I made a mistake. I compared the series to 1/n^2 before but when calculating the limit of cos n at 0 (after applying l"hopital's rule), I put 0 as a result instead of 1.

Therefore the series converges since 1/n^2 converges.

Thanks for the help. :)
 
zcd said:
Integral test yields a finite answer, so the series converges. For an easier solution you could compare the series to \frac{1}{n^{2}}
\lim_{n\to\infty}n\sin(\frac{1}{n})=1, and the geometric series converges.

Can you please explain the integral test especially in the case of an alternative series?


Is it the theorem that states that the sum and the integral should both either converge or diverge? ANd can we apply the integral test in the case of an alternative series.
 
For this particular case, \frac{1}{n}\sin(\frac{1}{n}) is monotonic decreasing and positive for n>1, meaning the series doesn't alternate. This can be verified by noting that its first derivative is always negative.

For alternating series, the integral test cannot be used since it requires the function be positive and always decreasing on an interval [a,\infty).

If f(x) is monotonic decreasing and positive, and \int_{a}^{\infty}f(x)\,dx converges, then the corresponding series also converges. If the integral diverges, then the series will also diverge.
 
zcd said:
For this particular case, \frac{1}{n}\sin(\frac{1}{n}) is monotonic decreasing and positive for n>1, meaning the series doesn't alternate. This can be verified by noting that its first derivative is always negative.

For alternating series, the integral test cannot be used since it requires the function be positive and always decreasing on an interval [a,\infty).

If f(x) is monotonic decreasing and positive, and \int_{a}^{\infty}f(x)\,dx converges, then the corresponding series also converges. If the integral diverges, then the series will also diverge.

Makes sense. Thank you.:smile:
 

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