How would you include gravity in a momentum problem?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around incorporating gravity into a momentum problem involving two balls of different masses, where one ball collides with the other after being dropped from a height. The focus is on the calculations involved and the effects of gravity on the system during the collision.

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  • Exploratory, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario with a big ball and a little ball, questioning how to perform calculations involving gravity and the subsequent elastic collision.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption of an elastic collision when the big ball bounces off the ground, suggesting that real-world collisions may not fit this model.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to approach the problem, particularly in the context of external forces affecting momentum.
  • A participant reiterates the need to categorize the problem as a homework question and suggests using a specific forum for such inquiries.

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There is no consensus on how to approach the problem, and participants express differing views on the nature of the collision and the classification of the question as homework.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of including external forces like gravity in momentum calculations, with participants noting the potential for non-elastic behavior in real-world scenarios.

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Say you have a big ball of mass m1 and a little ball on top of that of mass m2 (assume they are a small distance apart, like 1mm). Now let's drop these from a height of h so that the big ball will bounce off the ground and collide into the little ball in an elastic collision.

Now I know gravity would play a key role in this example but how would you perform calculations with it? I know F=p/t and momentum will not be conserved since there is an external force (gravity) so knowing this, how can you determine how high each ball will rise after the collision?
 
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How would you start on this problem? And by the way, in reality, "bouncing off the ground" is hardly an elastic collision.

Is this a homework problem? If so, you need to put it in the homework section and use the template.
 
This was just an example I thought of because all the problems I've done so far have pretty much been absent of external forces (such as a car collision).
 
Rnotaria said:
This was just an example I thought of because all the problems I've done so far have pretty much been absent of external forces (such as a car collision).
OK, then I ask again. How would you start on this problem?
 
Rnotaria said:
This was just an example I thought of ...
It's still a homework problem - the Homework Forums are for all such problems, whether they came to you as part of formal classwork or as self-study.

I am closing this thread, but I encourage you to start a new thread in the "Introductory Physics Homework" forum and use the template. The process there is designed for this sort of problem.
 

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