What Makes Hydrogen Bombs More Powerful Than Atomic Bombs?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences between hydrogen bombs and atomic bombs, specifically exploring the reasons behind the greater power of hydrogen bombs. Participants delve into the underlying physics, including the processes of fusion and fission, and the implications of binding energy and fuel mass.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the greater power of hydrogen bombs is due to the amount of fuel and the nature of fusion, which does not require a critical mass like fission does.
  • Others argue that fusion releases more energy per unit mass compared to fission, citing the equation E = mc^2 as a fundamental principle.
  • One participant explains that the binding energy per nucleon is higher for fusion than for fission, detailing the energy released during fission and fusion reactions.
  • Another point raised is that fusion devices can theoretically be made larger without the same limitations as fission devices, which can experience pre-detonation if too small.
  • Some participants note that while individual fusion reactions release less energy than fission reactions, the sheer number of fusion reactions possible contributes to the overall energy output of a fusion bomb.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the energy output of fusion versus fission, with some claiming fusion reactions release less energy per reaction while others emphasize the total energy produced per gram of material. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the comparative advantages of fusion and fission in terms of energy release and bomb design.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about energy release and the conditions under which fusion and fission occur. The nuances of binding energy and the specifics of reaction mechanisms are not fully explored, leaving some aspects open to interpretation.

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I am an afficionado of all weaponry, and there is this question I have which has bugged me for a while. What, exactly, makes a Hydrogen bomb different from an atomic bomb? I realize that the explosive is Hydrogen as opposed to Uranium or Plutonium, but why is it more powerful?
 
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I think it is the amount of fuel: E = mc^2, in a hydrogen bomb you use fusion and hydrogen has no critical mass, hence you can have more mass in a safe state before you ignite the bomb. Also fusion relases more energy per unit mass than fission:

http://web.mit.edu/jinseok/www/notes/notes_20031217/notes_20031217.files/image002.jpg

the slope is greater when going from left to right (fusion) than going from right to left (fission)

I hope this gave you the basic explanation.
 
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The binding energy per nucleon is higher for fusion than for fission. In fission, the U-235 or Pu-239 nuclei absorb a neutron becoming excited U-236 and Pu-240 respectively, which then fission releasing about 180 MeV promply (with about 20-25 MeV coming from delayed neutron, gamma and beta-decay in fission products), so fission releases less the 1 MeV/nucleon. The prompt part is key, because a fission device has on the order of 10 microseconds to fission as much as possible before the supercritical mass dissipates.

Fusion (thermonuclear) weapons are actually initiated (triggered) by fission devices. The extreme heat of the fission detonation is used to heat the fusile material (e.g. d+t, or li+d) very rapidly. The d+t fusion reaction releases 14.6 MeV or about 3.5 MeV/nucleon.

Another resource for understanding binding energy is -
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nucene/nucbin.html#c2
 
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Well, thanks for clearing that up for me! Always great to learn something new, even at 14 :)
 
Another 'advantage' of fussion devices is that there is no real liitto how largeyou can make them.
If you make a fission device too small you don't get a criticality and no bang. But if you try and put more fissile material together you get a pre-detonation where the inner part reaches critically and goes bang - blowing away the outer material before it has ha time to react.
In a fusion device, the high temperature allows more hydrogen to fuse, which generates more energy, which fuses more material and so on...
 
Surprisingly, a fusion reaction releases less energy than a fission one -- about 20 MeV for H2+H3 -> He4 + n, versus 200 MeV for fission. You can have many more fusion reactions per gram of material, though, and as pointed out there is no limit to the size of a fusion bomb. The complete fission of 1 gram of U235 or Pu239 will produce about 70 GJ of energy, while the complete fusion of 1 g of a deuterium/tritium mix will produce 300 GJ.
 

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