Hyperbolic function and the product rule.

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around differentiating a function involving hyperbolic sine and cosine, specifically focusing on the expression dN/dS ∝ S^−5/2/cosh(r/R) derived from the area A=4πR^2 sinh^2(r/R). Participants are exploring the application of differentiation rules in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the area function A and the application of the product rule versus the chain rule. There is confusion regarding how to simplify the resulting expression to isolate cosh(r/R).

Discussion Status

Some participants are questioning the correct differentiation approach, with one suggesting that the product rule may not apply and that the chain rule should be used instead. There is an ongoing exploration of how constants behave during differentiation.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted assumption that the factor 4πR^2 is treated as a constant in the differentiation process, which may influence the understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement



The question I am trying to answer requires me to find the following:

dN/dS ∝ S^−5/2/cosh(r/R)

and I am giving the follwing equation in the question.

A=4πR^2 sinh^2⁡〖(r/R)〗

The Attempt at a Solution



Right I know how to get the S^-5/2 in the top half of the equation.

I also understand that the cosh part comes from the differentiation of A. The problem I have is after applying the product rule to A I end up with this:

dA/dr=8πRsinh^2 (r/R)+ 8πR^2 sinh⁡(r/R)cosh⁡(r/R)

I am stuck on how the terms cancel to leave me with cosh(r/R) so i can reach the equation required.
 
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titowakoru said:

Homework Statement



The question I am trying to answer requires me to find the following:

dN/dS ∝ S^−5/2/cosh(r/R)

and I am giving the follwing equation in the question.

A=4πR^2 sinh^2⁡〖(r/R)〗

The Attempt at a Solution



Right I know how to get the S^-5/2 in the top half of the equation.

I also understand that the cosh part comes from the differentiation of A. The problem I have is after applying the product rule to A I end up with this:

dA/dr=8πRsinh^2 (r/R)+ 8πR^2 sinh⁡(r/R)cosh⁡(r/R)

I am stuck on how the terms cancel to leave me with cosh(r/R) so i can reach the equation required.

The product rule doesn't apply here, but the chain rule does. The factor 4πR2 is considered to be a constant as far as differentiation with respect to r is concerned.
 
Ah, I see. So applying the chain rule with respect to r would mean that 4πR^2 would disappear because the derivative of a constant is zero?
 
If y = c * f(x), then dy/dx = c * d[f(x)]/dx
 
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