Hyperbolic partial differential equation

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The discussion focuses on finding the general solution for a hyperbolic partial differential equation involving a damping function. It is established that an exponential solution in time, specifically h_1 = e^{-a*t}, is part of the general solution, alongside additional terms to address the arbitrary nature of the second and third terms. The participants suggest that the general solution can include terms like k_2x, provided they satisfy the equation when combined. They also mention the possibility of wave-like solutions and separable solutions, indicating that more terms may be necessary to fully satisfy initial conditions. The conversation emphasizes the need for further exploration of potential solutions to ensure completeness.
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What is the general solution of the following hyperbolic partial differential equation:
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The head (h) at a specified distance (x) is a sort of a damping function in the form:
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Where, a, b, c and d are constants. And the derivatives are with respect to t (time) and x (distance).

Thanks in advance.
 
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Well, just looking at it, you know it has to be exponential in t. If we guess ##h_1=e^{-a*t}##, that works as one homogeneus solution, although the second 2 terms become arbitrary. So h_1 is part of the general solution, we just need other solutions to make the second 2 terms non arbitrary. So the second derivative with respect to x must differ from partial x partial t only by a constant. x works, as it's derivative is zero for all partials above, so far we have ##h_{1+2}=k_1e^{-a*t}+k_2x## where ##k_{n}## is an arbitrary constant. Now you try to throw a few out there, I have a feeling there are a lot, or at least one more function of x and t. I honestly don't know though.
 
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Well, just looking at it, you know it has to be exponential in t. If we guess ##h_1=e^{-a*t}##, that works as one homogeneus solution, although the second 2 terms become arbitrary. So h_1 is part of the general solution, we just need other solutions to make the second 2 terms non arbitrary. So the second derivative with respect to x must differ from partial x partial t only by a constant. x works, as it's derivative is zero for all partials above, so far we have ##h_{1+2}=k_1e^{-a*t}+k_2x## where ##k_{n}## is an arbitrary constant. Now you try to throw a few out there, I have a feeling there are a lot, or at least one more function of x and t. I honestly don't know though.

I know that the governing differential equation of a free vibration of a damped system has this form
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and its solution (subject to initial conditions) is
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where,
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, ω_n is the natural frequency and ζ is a damping factor <1 and if drawn it gives
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But, the problem here is the third and the fourth terms.
Is it right to just add this term k_2 x to the previous solution?
 

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The all cancel out. The general solution is the sum of all homogenous solutions (they all equal zero). This isn't an enveloped oscillator, at least as far as I can see.
 
Basically, the general solution to this differential equation is any terms that you can add to gether that, when you plug the whole thing into this PDE, equals zero. I will almost guarantee that there are more terms. One way you can check is by taking 2 initial conditions and plugging them into the function, see if this function satisfies both conditions, if not, then we're missing stuff.
 
Elkholy said:
What is the general solution of the following hyperbolic partial differential equation:
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The head (h) at a specified distance (x) is a sort of a damping function in the form:
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Where, a, b, c and d are constants. And the derivatives are with respect to t (time) and x (distance).

Thanks in advance.

There are wave-like solutions h(x,t) = f(x - vt) where f must satisfy <br /> (v^2 - bv + c)f&#039;&#039; - av f&#039; = 0.

There are also separable solutions of the form h(x,t) = X(x)e^{-kt}e^{i\omega t} where X must satisfy <br /> cX&#039;&#039; + b(-k + i\omega)X&#039; + ((-k + i\omega)^2 + a(-k + i\omega))X = 0.
 
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