Hypervalent Oxygen: Violating Rules & Reactions

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The discussion centers on the concept of hypervalent oxygen in the context of water molecules, specifically the reaction 2 H2O -> H2O+ + H2O-. This reaction suggests that one oxygen atom can possess 9 electrons, while the other has only 7, leading to instability in ionic water. The participants argue that hypervalency is traditionally considered to start in the 3rd period of the periodic table, making the occurrence in group 16 of the 2nd period highly questionable. Furthermore, the feasibility of H2O- formation in the gas phase is dismissed due to high energy costs and instability, with the consensus that solvated electrons and the formation of H2 and OH- are more realistic outcomes.

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I know that it is possible for 2 H2O molecules to gain and lose electrons. This reaction looks like this:

2 H2O -> H2O+ + H2O-

This causes 1 of the oxygen atoms to be hypervalent since it now has 9 electrons. The other oxygen has only 7 electrons. The electron on the hypervalent oxygen came from 1 of the other oxygen's lone pairs.

Obviously this ionic water is not stable.

But how is this ionic water possible when it violates 1 of the general rules in chemistry which is that hypervalency starts in the 3rd period not group 16 of the 2nd period.
 
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Is this really true ? Because I have never seen anything like this, rather i have seen this
2H2O = H3O+ + OH-
Pls. Read the equal to as a reversible arrow.
 
Yes under certain conditions H2O+ and H2O- can form
 
Hypervalency not being possible in 2nd row elements is nowadays known to be a fairy tale, which nevertheless is going on to get told to high school students.
Nevertheless, I don't think that this reaction happens. In gas phase, H2O- is only marginally stable. The electron is bound by the dipole moment of the water molecule and is spread out over a large area. It does not resemble a valence electron at all. On the other hand, it cost's a lot of energy to ionize H2O to H2O+, so this reaction is not feasible in the gas phase.
In solution, H2O- doesn't exist. Rather, there exist a solvated electron for a short time, which rapidly reacts under the formation of H2 and OH-. Again, energetics isn't favourable.
 
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