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The discussion revolves around the topic of border security and the construction of walls or fences to manage immigration. Participants compare the EU's border policies, particularly in relation to illegal immigration, with Israel's security fence. There is a debate on the legitimacy and implications of these barriers, with some arguing that the EU's actions are hypocritical given their criticism of Israel's wall. The conversation touches on issues of national security, the monitoring of immigrants, and the responsibilities of nations to protect their borders while addressing humanitarian concerns. The dialogue also includes contentious points about ethnic cleansing, with differing views on whether Israel's wall constitutes such an act. The discussion highlights the complexities of immigration policy, national sovereignty, and the moral responsibilities of states in conflict situations.
  • #31
Anyone got a brick wall I can bang my head against?
 
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  • #32
Padded room?
 
  • #33
I may need it soon.
 
  • #34
>Maybe if condemnations of Israel would be more convincing if they didn't pretend there is one side to every issue. *shrug*<

My statement is not condemning Israel. It is pointing out that with the power goes the responsibility. I agree that the other side is irrational but they do not have that ability to change anything. Israel does have the power to change and must bear the responsibility for change. The most egregious policy that can not be justified is the method of new settlements. It is used to control more land and it makes a statement that peace in not the goal. If the question is more room for more people it then makes sense to expand established towns in a limited area.

The ideas I have presented are logical not emotional they will of course be ignored in favor of emotion.
 
  • #35
Nor did Germany's bullets during WW2 commit ethnic cleansing, right? Think before typing, dude.

Since you did not contest my statement, I presume you agree that you were mistaken in claiming the wall is ethnic cleansing.


Why would you say that bullets would not be ethnic cleansing? A bullet is certainly capable of eliminating a person.
 
  • #36
The wall is not ethnic cleansing in precisely the same way that NAZI death camps were not ethnic cleansing. The wall is a part of ethnic cleansing in precisely the same way that NAZI death camps were a part of ethnic cleansing.

And a wall is certainly capable of keeping a person out of an area.
 
  • #37
keeping a person out of an area isn't ethnic cleansing. Forcefully emigrating is
 
  • #38
comparing a wall with death camps.. right.. wouldn't the berlin wall be a better comparison?
 
  • #39
Monique, it was a form of analogy, for example: hand is to glove as foot is to boot. That is not saying hands and feet are the same thing. It is merely a method of comparison.
 
  • #40
Yeah, comparing apples with pears.
 
  • #41
Europeans don't build any wall, just more barbed wire and such,you can not compare this to the 10 meter high wall!
And borders In Europe are legitimate, unlike Palestine/Israel.
But it feels good to jump on the Bad Europe and Evil France band wagon as usual.
 

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