I am a little bit confused about graphing

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of graphing transformations of functions, specifically the expression x(4-t/2). Participants explore the effects of various transformations such as scaling, shifting, and reversing on the graph of a function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the order of transformations when graphing x(4-t/2) after understanding simpler transformations like x(t+4), x(t/2), and x(-2).
  • Another participant suggests starting with x(-t/2) and then shifting it left by 4 units, claiming that the graph will stretch depending on whether it is linear or quadratic.
  • A participant questions the assertion that the graph stretches by a factor of 4, arguing that the stretching factor should be 2 based on the t/2 term, while agreeing on the shifting aspect.
  • There is a claim that for a quadratic function, the t/2 term gets squared, and the order of transformations should be scaling first, then shifting.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to consider scaling, reversing, and shifting, asking for clarification on the exact order of these transformations.
  • A later reply provides a conceptual explanation using a physics equation to illustrate how changes in the variable affect the graph, suggesting that doubling time relates to stretching and shifting the graph.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact order of transformations or the factors by which the graph is stretched. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the transformations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the effects of transformations on different types of functions (linear vs. quadratic) and how to properly sequence these transformations. There are unresolved questions about the mathematical steps involved in graphing the transformations.

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so if the plot of x(t) is given, then I get confused about how to graph x(4-t/2), I know how to graph x(t+4), x(t/2) and x(-2) ..
but when they are all put together, I get very confused about the order ...
any help?
 
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First look at [tex]x(-\frac{t}{2})[/tex]. Then [tex]x(-\frac{t}{2} +4)[/tex] will be that graph shifted to the left 4 units. It will be stretched out (depending if it is linear, quadratic, etc..). If it is quadratic, the graph will be stretched by a factor of 4, and will not be affected by the negative sign.
 
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courtrigrad said:
First look at [tex]x(-\frac{t}{2})[/tex]. Then [tex]x(-\frac{t}{2} +4)[/tex] will be that graph shifted to the left 4 units. It will be stretched out (depending if it is linear, quadratic, etc..). If it is quadratic, the graph will be stretched by a factor of 4, and will not be affected by the negative sign.
why would it strecthed out by factor of 4?

the only stretching I see is streching by factor of 2 ... coz I see t/2...
i see shifting by 4 though ...
and the order you suggested doesn't seem to work out ...
 
If it's a QUADRATIC, the t/2 term gets squared.

The order he suggested is the only way to do it. First you scale it, then you shift it
 
Office_Shredder said:
If it's a QUADRATIC, the t/2 term gets squared.

The order he suggested is the only way to do it. First you scale it, then you shift it
alright, 3 things need to be done, scaling, reversing and shifting ...
now please tell me the exact order? where does the reversal fit into?
 
kolycholy said:
so if the plot of x(t) is given, then I get confused about how to graph x(4-t/2), I know how to graph x(t+4), x(t/2) and x(-2) ..
but when they are all put together, I get very confused about the order ...
any help?
Knowing that something does something is not nearly as important as why something does something. There's a vey easy conceptual way to look at this.


Well, if you recall what a function is, a function is the graphical representation of how a equation's value changes as a variable changes. So let's look at basic physics equation:

D = R*t (If you like, you can corrolate it to y = mx. Right now I'm disregarding y-scale changes and translations because they should make sense after this explanation.)

Where D = Distance, R = speed, and t = time, the independent variable for this function. Now, when we graph this function, the Y-axis is going to give us the distance traveled at a certain X value, measured in time.

Now, think about it this way: if we double the time, it is the same thing as doubling the velocity (communative property). Notice the difference in these two equations:

1) D = R*t
2) D = R*2*t = 2R*t

Which means that equation two is going twice as fast as equation one. So, when you graph it, what would you expect would happen? E2 will reach the same points as E1 in half the time, because it is operating twice as fast. This causes the "stretch" (Or scale-change) effect.


Now, let's look at adding strictly to your X-value. If I take that same equation, but I add five to X, why does it move -5 over? Well, look at it conceptually:

D = R(t+5)

What you essentially saying is that if you add 5 to it at all points, you are making it start out "earlier". So, say you give car#1 5 seconds of speed time before you give car#2. This is mathmatically described as:

Car1) D = R(t+5)
Car2) D = Rt

Notice that if you start a car out five seconds longer, it is making it 5 closer to the "end". So this causes it to shift five over to the left, because it is doing things quicker. That is, when t = -5, it is the origin, because that is actually where it started out relative to the other car --five seconds earlier.


So, you asked what happens when you have (t+4)/2. Well, it is starting out 4 seconds earlier, and it is going half as fast. Therefore, you'll have to move it back four because it "started out earlier", and stretch it out because it's going "slower".

I hope that explanation helps. It took me a while to conceptualize it myself.
 

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