I: Can Grad School and the Navy Reserve Coexist?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of balancing graduate school in physics with commitments to the Navy Reserve. Participants explore the demands of graduate studies, the potential impact of military service on academic progress, and the financial implications of pursuing a career in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about whether graduate school is so demanding that it would not allow for commitments like the Navy Reserve, particularly as a physics major.
  • Another participant suggests that the intensity of graduate work may vary by field, citing a friend's experience in history or economics as particularly demanding.
  • Some participants indicate that the necessity of being in the lab often depends on the advisor and the specific field of experimental physics.
  • There is a discussion about whether graduate students engage in intensive work during the summer, with some noting that research typically continues year-round despite lighter teaching duties.
  • One participant mentions the age requirement for joining the Navy Reserve, expressing disappointment about being too young to enlist.
  • Concerns are raised about the duration of graduate studies, with estimates varying from 5 to 9 years depending on the field and institution, with some participants providing anecdotal evidence from their experiences or those of acquaintances.
  • There is a debate about the financial prospects of obtaining a PhD in physics, with some participants suggesting a guaranteed salary above a certain threshold, while others express skepticism about achieving a salary significantly higher than that of less-educated professionals.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of gaining experience in physics classes and research before making long-term career plans.
  • There is a distinction made between the roles of theorists and experimentalists in physics, with one participant expressing a preference for experimental work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the demands of graduate school or the feasibility of balancing it with military commitments. There are multiple competing views regarding the duration of graduate studies and the financial outcomes of pursuing a PhD in physics.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference varying experiences and anecdotal evidence regarding the length of graduate programs and the balance of academic and military commitments, indicating that these factors may depend on individual circumstances and institutional policies.

Poop-Loops
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I was thinking about joining the Navy Reserve for help with school money and some extra cash for myself. Going one weekend a month and 2 weeks during the summer is no biggy as an undergrad, right? I could handle it now at least... But it would cut into my Grad school time. Now, if Grad school is sooooo hard that you can't even allow one weekend a month and 2 weeks in the summer for something else, then obviously I'll decide not to go. Is it? I'm a physics major, if that makes any difference.

PL
 
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I dunno, i do believe it depends on what subject you are in. I know someone who went to i think Berkeley and was a history or an econ major and his life couldn't even fit in anything fun or extra in for 1 weekend a year lol.

Do grad students do intensive work during summer just as they do work in spring and fall?
 
It completely depends upon your advisor, and what field you're in. I would say that with some fields of experimental physics, you might need to be in the lab very often. However, I think that, in general, 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks during the summer seems pretty reasonable.

Obviously, the more time you spend away from research, the longer it'll take for you to graduate.
 
Pengwuino said:
Do grad students do intensive work during summer just as they do work in spring and fall?

What's summer? :-p Teaching duties might be lighter in the summer and you likely won't have any classes to attend (those are usually only near the beginning of your program anyways) but most programs I know of the research is year round. Most math grad students I know still manage a couple weeks of vacation each year, though they usually bring work with them.
 
Bah, nevermind. Apparently you can't go reserve until you are 21, and I'm 18.

The impression I'm getting is that Grad school is 6 years of hell, am I right?

PL
 
7-9 if your experimental physicist
6-8 for theoretical physicist

Every other field is less though :D... except 1 it hink... the chair of my physics department made a joke about the 1 degree that takes more but it might have been simply a joke because all i can remember was him saying russian orthodox something lol.

And you should be able to get into the reserves at 18! My nephew became a Marine Reservist at 18... I had a friend who was in the army bootcamp as a junior in high school and I am sure he wasnt held back or anything. And before anyone starts going 'war in iraq means they don't care about rules'... they both signed up before the war was even being thought of.
 
I wanted to go Army Reserves and they said it would be fine, but on the Navy website it says "If you are between the ages of 21 and 38 and want to Enhance your life TO THE EXTREME!" yadda yadda.

That's bad news, I want to go into experimental physics. That is, unless I could get a real job as a theorist. =/ By real I mean actually make a steady pay that I can at least live off of. Yeah, I guess I could teach, but I'd rather do research.

Well... worst case scenario is that I chicken out of grad school and join the military with a BS in physics, then become an officer. Not too shabby, eh?

PL
 
Pff, get a phD in physics and you'll easily be able to life off of the salary you find. Unless of course 'living off of' includes monthly cruises around the world :P. I say at least a $30,000 salary would be an absolute guarantee with a phD. I am sure I am not being too optomistic here... because i mean come on, you have a phd lol.
 
My dad makes $~45k and he only has some technical school (he's a welder/fitter). If I don't make more than him after spending a total of 11+ years in school, then I'll shoot myself.

PL
 
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Well let's just say the ODDS are that you'll quickly make more money then him.
 
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Pengwuino said:
7-9 if your experimental physicist
6-8 for theoretical physicist

Your numbers are way inflated. Princeton pushes for 5 years for their grad students, I believe. You can get an idea of Caltech's numbers here:

http://www.pma.caltech.edu/GSR/gradclasslist.html

However- that list is incomplete, since there are people I know who have gotten degrees who don't have their theses listed yet. But I would say 5-6 for a theorist at Caltech, and 6-7 for an experimentalist.
 
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Poop-Loops said:
I wanted to go Army Reserves and they said it would be fine, but on the Navy website it says "If you are between the ages of 21 and 38 and want to Enhance your life TO THE EXTREME!" yadda yadda.

That's bad news, I want to go into experimental physics. That is, unless I could get a real job as a theorist. =/ By real I mean actually make a steady pay that I can at least live off of. Yeah, I guess I could teach, but I'd rather do research.

Well... worst case scenario is that I chicken out of grad school and join the military with a BS in physics, then become an officer. Not too shabby, eh?

PL

Honestly, being that you're 18, it's a bit too early to be planning out that career in physics. Take some physics classes, try some summer research, and see how you like it first.
 
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I thought a theorist basically solves equations and such all day long? Whereas an experimentalist makes does a test and crunches the numbers all day long? Even though they sound the same, I think I'll probably like the experimental side better.

PL
 
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I don't know juvenal... I am not sure how to read Caltech's page as it relates to how long your going to be in grad school but my profs pretty much take the 7-8 years from getting ur BS to when you get your PHD for an experimentalist stance.
 
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Pengwuino said:
I don't know juvenal... I am not sure how to read Caltech's page as it relates to how long your going to be in grad school but my profs pretty much take the 7-8 years from getting ur BS to when you get your PHD for an experimentalist stance.

Look at the entering class year. Then look at the year of the thesis.
 
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One person wrote their thesis in 3 years... Look at the 1995 class. But it ranges from 5-8 years on average, so it's still bleah. =/

PL
 

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