# I cant figure out what the potential difference between this two points is.

1. Feb 21, 2012

### aznking1

i know that the p.d measured across XY is the p.d. across resistor B in this picture:

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/7665/68689848.png [Broken]

But what if resistor B is removed like in this picture:

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7798/41743055.png [Broken]

What is the p.d across XY now? Is it 0? Anyone care to explain? Would greatly appreciate your help!

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2. Feb 21, 2012

### ehild

Yes, it is zero.
The points X and Y are connected with a piece of wire supposed to have zero resistance.
Ohm's law says that the voltage across a resistor is RI. I is defined by the emf of the battery and R, and multiplying it with zero resistance, you get zero voltage.

ehild

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3. Feb 21, 2012

### aznking1

ooo thanks then does that mean there will be no reading on the voltmeter?

4. Feb 21, 2012

### ehild

There will be reading on the voltmeter, it will be "0".

ehild

5. Feb 21, 2012

### aznking1

oh one last question. If thats the case, then why do voltmeter measure the pd across the battery in this circuit?

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1755/84586970.png [Broken]

Is the above circuit the same as this circuit?:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/24112736.png/

If so then shouldnt the potential difference across XY be 0 and voltmeter reading be zero as well?

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6. Feb 21, 2012

### kushan

in both the above cases you are taking out potential difference across an ideal wire , which will always be zero .
Thing to note V=RI , and R= 0 .

7. Feb 21, 2012

### ehild

It does not. It will measure the pd across the battery if you remove the wire at the bottom of the figure.

Usually the batteries have some internal resistance. Connecting the terminals with a wire, a very big current would flow trough that wire and the battery, including the internal resistance. The potential would fall across the internal resistance, and the pd between the terminals becomes zero.

Connecting the terminals with a wire, to "short" them, is dangerous. The current destroys the battery and makes the wire and battery so hot that it can make fire.

ehild

8. Feb 21, 2012

### aznking1

ok! I get it now! Thanks for your help guys! Really appreciate it.

9. Feb 21, 2012

### kushan

ehild , I have a confusion .
The thing is potential difference across ideal wire is zero (always )
and pd across battery is the EMF of the battery
Arent these two statements contradicting each other in the above figure ?