Potential difference between two points on a circuit

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The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving potential difference between two points, B and D, with given values for voltage and resistance. The subject area includes circuit analysis, specifically applying Kirchhoff's laws and understanding circuit symmetry.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the application of Kirchhoff's laws and discuss the symmetry of the circuit. There are attempts to set up equations based on current flow and voltage drops across resistors. Questions arise regarding the potential difference between points B and D and the nature of the circuit's configuration.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing equations and reasoning about the circuit's behavior. Some guidance is provided regarding the use of Kirchhoff's laws and the implications of circuit symmetry. Multiple interpretations of the circuit's configuration are being explored, particularly in relation to the Wheatstone bridge concept.

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There are references to specific values for voltage and resistance, as well as assumptions about current distribution in the circuit. The discussion includes uncertainty about the potential difference and the classification of the circuit type.

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Homework Statement



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The circuit is shown as above.
If ε = 3 volt and each resistor has 2 ohm resistance, then what's the potential difference between point B and point D ?

A. 4
B. 3
C. 2
D. 1
E. 0

Homework Equations



V = I R
R series = R1 + R2 + ..
1/ R parallel = 1/R1 + 1/R2 + ...

The Attempt at a Solution


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The circuit is very weird. I don't even know how to start.
 
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Are you familiar with Kirchhoff's laws?
 
cnh1995 said:
Are you familiar with Kirchhoff's laws?

Yes, of course.. KVL and KCL..
Okay, I'll use KVL for the two triangles

Triangle ADC

4IR = ε
I = ε/4R = 3/8 ampere

The current in triangle ABC also 3/8 ampere, right ? (The resistance are equal also the emf)

But, what's the potential difference between point B and D?
 
Assume current through diagonal AC as i and current through ABC as i1. So, current through ADC is i-i1. Using these currents, write KVL and you'll get values for i and i1.
Actually, this problem can be solved by observation only, using the symmetry of the circuit.
 
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cnh1995 said:
Assume current through diagonal AC as i and current through ABC as i1. So, current through ADC is i-i1. Using these currents, write KVL and you'll get values for i and i1.

##Triangle\ ABC \\
2I_1R+2IR - \varepsilon = 0 \\
4I_1 + 4I = 3\\
Triangle\ ADC \\
2((I-I_1)R) + 2IR - \varepsilon = 0 \\
4IR-2I_1R = 3 \\
8I - 4I_1 = 3 \\##

Solving the equation, I get i = 0.5 A, and i1 = 0.25 A, and it means that i2 = 0.25 A
How to determine the potential difference between B and D ??

cnh1995 said:
Actually, this problem can be solved by observation only, using yhe symmetry of the circuit.

Yeah, I also see that it's kinda like the Wheatstone bridge, isn't it ??
But, eventually, the current through diagonal AC is not zero (not as I thought it would be in Wheatstone bridge)..
Please help me
 
terryds said:
Solving the equation, I get i = 0.5 A, and i1 = 0.25 A, and it means that i2 = 0.25 A
Good!
terryds said:
How to determine the potential difference between B and D ??
Let's say point A is at a potential Va and point B is at potential Vb. Voltage drop across the resistor between A and B is Va-Vb. What is the value of this voltage drop? You know the currents now.
 
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cnh1995 said:
Good!

Let's say point A is at a potential Va. You know the currents now. What is the potential of point B in terms of Va and known current and resistor values? (Hint:Ohm's law).

Vb = 3 - 0.5 * 2 - 0.25 * 2 = 1.5 V
Vd = 3 - 0.5 * 2 - 0.25 *2 = 1.5 V
The potential difference is zero, right ?

Anyway, is this circuit a Wheatstone bridge?
 
terryds said:
The potential difference is zero, right ?
Right.
terryds said:
Anyway, is this circuit a Wheatstone bridge?
Yes. Supply is connected between A and C and output is taken between B and D.
 
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