I converting conditional statements into logical notation

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The discussion revolves around converting conditional statements into logical notation using propositional connectives and quantifiers. Participants explore the logical representation of statements related to set theory, particularly focusing on the properties of sets and their elements.

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  • One participant requests help in converting the statements "A has at most one element," "A is a singleton," and "ø ∈ A" into logical notation.
  • Another participant suggests considering the cardinality of A for the first statement and questions the definition of a singleton in relation to the second statement.
  • A third participant proposes logical expressions for the first two statements but acknowledges uncertainty regarding the third statement, suggesting it may be a typo.
  • Subsequent replies affirm that "ø ∈ A" is a valid statement in set theory, referencing its use in Peano arithmetic, while questioning the proposed logical expressions for their clarity and correctness.
  • Participants discuss the implications of "ø ∈ A" versus "ø is a subset of A," highlighting the distinction between membership and subset relations in set theory.

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Participants express differing views on the validity and interpretation of "ø ∈ A," with some affirming its sensibility and others questioning its relevance. There is no consensus on the correctness of the proposed logical expressions.

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Participants note that the proposed logical expressions contain free variables, which may not align with the intended logical notation. There is also uncertainty regarding the interpretation of certain symbols used in the expressions.

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i need to covert the following conditional statements into logical notation using propositional connectives and quantifiers:

a) A has at most one element


b)A is a singleton


c)ø ∈ A

you don't have to give me the answers, just help me get started or give me some hints
 
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dabige1010 said:
i need to covert the following conditional statements into logical notation using propositional connectives and quantifiers:

a) A has at most one element
Think of the cardinality of A.

b)A is a singleton
What is a singleton? Suppose A has two elements; what can you say about these elements?
c)ø ∈ A
This says "the empty set is a member of A." This doesn't make sense, to me; don't you mean "the empty set is a subset of A?"

you don't have to give me the answers, just help me get started or give me some hints[/QUOTE]
 
this is what I've come up with:

a) ∀x(x ∈ A → (x⇔ø v x ⇔ n))

b) ∀z(z ∈ A ⇔ z = x)

C) i didnt mistype, "ø ∈ A" is what the question said. i guess it's just a typo by the prof.

let me know what you think of the two answers i do have though.

thanks a lot!
 
ø ∈ A is quite sensible; it's used in the canonical set-theoretic construction of Peano arithmetic, for example. But I'm not sure what you'd need to do to rewrite it.

dabige1010 said:
a) ∀x(x ∈ A → (x⇔ø v x ⇔ n))

b) ∀z(z ∈ A ⇔ z = x)

These have free variables, which I don't think you want. For the first one, I'd expect something like ∃n∀x (x ∈ A → x=n). Also, I'm not at all sure what you intend by "x⇔ø", which is surely not the same as your use of the double arrow in the second formula.
 
CRGreathouse said:
ø ∈ A is quite sensible; it's used in the canonical set-theoretic construction of Peano arithmetic, for example.

Fair enough. So; what does it mean?
 
cristo said:
Fair enough. So; what does it mean?

"The empty set is a member of A", what else? You might use the following definitions for numbers, for example:

0 = ø
S(n) = n U {n}

So that
1 = {ø} U ø = {0}
2 = {0} U {{0}} = {0, {0}} = {0, 1}
3 = {0, 1} U {{0, 1}} = {0, 1, 2}
. . .

"ø is a subset of A" is true for all sets A, but "ø is a member of A" is true for only some A. "ø ∈ ø" is false, for example; nothing is in the empty set, not even the empty set.
 

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