I don't understand how parameters are eliminated

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The discussion focuses on eliminating the parameter from the parametric equations x = sin(t) and y = -3sin(t) - 5 to identify the graph and determine the domain and range. The domain of the sine function is indeed limited to [-1, 1], which raises questions about the initially stated domain of (-∞, ∞) for x. The range of y, derived from the transformation of the sine function, should be calculated correctly, leading to confusion over the stated range of [-2, -8]. Participants clarify that the range must be expressed properly in interval notation, emphasizing that the upper limit must be greater than the lower limit. The conversation highlights the importance of accurately defining the domain and range for each function involved.
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Homework Statement


Eliminate the parameter and identify the graph of the pair of parametric equations. Determine the domain (the set of x-coordinates) and the range (the set of y-coordinates).

x = sin t, y = -3 sin t - 5

Homework Equations


y = -3x - 5
Domain: (-∞,∞)
Range: (-∞,∞)

The Attempt at a Solution


I've already solved this equation by substitution but I don't quite understand how the domain and the range are supposed to make sense. The domain of a sine function can't be higher than one or lower than negative one, right? Because sin2x + cos2x = 1, I don't believe that it's possible. Therefore, the domain of x cannot be (-∞,∞), and the domain of y cannot be (-∞,∞). Can someone explain to me how eliminating parameters is supposed to work?
 
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You have got the domain and the range of a function confused. The domain is typically the set of x-values over which the function is defined.
 
SteamKing said:
The domain is typically the set of x-values over which the function is defined.

Do you mean that the range of a sin(t) function is [-1,1], and the domain (the angle) is [0,2π)? I still don't understand how this range and domain are eliminated.
 
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The value of a sine function can be smaller than zero, but you are right that it is bounded.
That makes the given domain for x questionable.
 
You have three different functions in this problem: x=f(t), y=g(t), and y=h(x), so when you talk about the domain and range, you need to specify which function you're considering. The problem is asking you to find the domain and range of h.

The domain of h is, as noted in the problem statement, all of the possible values x can take. That set happens to also be the range of f. You seem to have an idea of what this is, but [0,1] isn't correct. You might want to look at a plot of the sine function.
 
vela said:
You seem to have an idea of what this is, but [0,1] isn't correct

It's [-1,1], isn't it? If that's the case, why isn't the range of y [-2,-8]?
 
Why do you think it isn't?
 
It's what the online problem said, that's why.

Maybe it made a mistake?
 
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Sounds like it, or it wants the answer in a different form than the way you entered it.
 
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Okay, thanks.
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
It's [-1,1], isn't it? If that's the case, why isn't the range of y [-2,-8]?
When you use the interval notation, [a, b], b has to be to the right of a on the number line.

The interval, [-2, -8], is improper.
 
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Good point. I didn't even notice that.
 

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