I don't understand how parameters are eliminated

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The discussion revolves around eliminating the parameter from a pair of parametric equations: x = sin t and y = -3 sin t - 5. Participants are exploring the implications for the domain and range of the resulting function.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the domain and range of the sine function and how it relates to the given parametric equations. There is confusion about the definitions of domain and range in this context, particularly regarding the values that x and y can take.

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Some participants are questioning the initial assumptions about the domain and range provided in the problem statement. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct intervals for the sine function and how these affect the overall understanding of the problem.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the interpretation of domain and range, particularly in relation to the sine function's properties. Participants are also considering the implications of the problem statement and potential errors in it.

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Homework Statement


Eliminate the parameter and identify the graph of the pair of parametric equations. Determine the domain (the set of x-coordinates) and the range (the set of y-coordinates).

x = sin t, y = -3 sin t - 5

Homework Equations


y = -3x - 5
Domain: (-∞,∞)
Range: (-∞,∞)

The Attempt at a Solution


I've already solved this equation by substitution but I don't quite understand how the domain and the range are supposed to make sense. The domain of a sine function can't be higher than one or lower than negative one, right? Because sin2x + cos2x = 1, I don't believe that it's possible. Therefore, the domain of x cannot be (-∞,∞), and the domain of y cannot be (-∞,∞). Can someone explain to me how eliminating parameters is supposed to work?
 
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You have got the domain and the range of a function confused. The domain is typically the set of x-values over which the function is defined.
 
SteamKing said:
The domain is typically the set of x-values over which the function is defined.

Do you mean that the range of a sin(t) function is [-1,1], and the domain (the angle) is [0,2π)? I still don't understand how this range and domain are eliminated.
 
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The value of a sine function can be smaller than zero, but you are right that it is bounded.
That makes the given domain for x questionable.
 
You have three different functions in this problem: x=f(t), y=g(t), and y=h(x), so when you talk about the domain and range, you need to specify which function you're considering. The problem is asking you to find the domain and range of h.

The domain of h is, as noted in the problem statement, all of the possible values x can take. That set happens to also be the range of f. You seem to have an idea of what this is, but [0,1] isn't correct. You might want to look at a plot of the sine function.
 
vela said:
You seem to have an idea of what this is, but [0,1] isn't correct

It's [-1,1], isn't it? If that's the case, why isn't the range of y [-2,-8]?
 
Why do you think it isn't?
 
It's what the online problem said, that's why.

Maybe it made a mistake?
 
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Sounds like it, or it wants the answer in a different form than the way you entered it.
 
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Okay, thanks.
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
It's [-1,1], isn't it? If that's the case, why isn't the range of y [-2,-8]?
When you use the interval notation, [a, b], b has to be to the right of a on the number line.

The interval, [-2, -8], is improper.
 
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Good point. I didn't even notice that.
 

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