I get two different answers. Which one is correct?

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The problem involves calculating the uncertainty in a variable M, defined as M = (a-b)/2 + a, given specific values for a and b, along with their uncertainties. The subject area pertains to error propagation in the context of uncertainty analysis in measurements.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply a formula for error propagation but questions its validity due to the dependence of the errors in a. Other participants discuss alternative methods for handling the uncertainty, including simplifying the expression for M.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of how to calculate the uncertainty in M, with some suggesting simplifications and others questioning the assumptions about error independence. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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There is a noted concern regarding the independence of the uncertainties in a and b, which may affect the application of standard error propagation formulas. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their approach based on this dependency.

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Homework Statement



M = (a-b)/2 + a

a = 15
b=5

What is the uncertainty in M if the uncertainty in a and b is ±0.7?


Homework Equations



for c = a + b
Error in c =√[(error in a)^2 + (error in b)^2]

The Attempt at a Solution



Error in M = √[0.7^2 * 3] = 1.2124

The problem I am having is that we learn that the above formula can only work when the errors are independent of one another. the error in a is obviously not independent of the error in a. so i think I'm wrong.

What do you think?

Thank you.
 
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If I remember correctly, the errors work like this:

s= a+b ⇒ Δs=Δa + Δb

s= a-b ⇒ Δs= Δa + Δb

s=ab ⇒ Δs/s = Δa/a + Δb/b

So you can apply the first two as needed.
 
yes. but that only works when the uncertainties in a and b are independent. however in my equation for M, a appears twice. since the error of a is not independent of a, how do i go about finding the uncertainty?

thanks.
 
Why not just simplify your problem

(a-b)/2+a

into

(3a-b)/2

and then use the rules for the error of 3a+b. You don't need to worry about the independency of error a to error a.
This way I get

(3 Δa + Δb)/2 = 1.4

Or using the other rule [ √(Δa2 + Δb2) ]

( √(9*Δa2 + Δb2) ) / 2 ≈ 1.1068
 

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