I have a doubt about the pressures at the same level of fluids

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The discussion centers around the behavior of pressures in static fluids at the same height, particularly when different fluids with varying densities are involved. Participants explore the principles of hydrostatics and the implications of density on pressure measurements across different fluid columns.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that in a static fluid, the forces balance, leading to the conclusion that pressure at the same height is equal only if the fluids are the same density.
  • Another participant presents a figure illustrating pressure variation with height, noting that pressure is atmospheric at certain levels and increases linearly in regions with different fluid densities.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the orientation of axes in a provided diagram, suggesting it may affect understanding.
  • One participant questions why pressures at specific points (purple dots) differ from those at other points (red dots) despite being at the same height, prompting further exploration of hydrostatic principles.
  • Another participant emphasizes that hydrostatic pressure is dependent on both density and height, asserting that equal height does not guarantee equal pressure when densities differ.
  • A participant reiterates the importance of balancing forces in hydrostatics, noting that different densities require different pressures at the bottom of fluid columns to maintain equilibrium.
  • One participant points out that the original question remains unaddressed, specifically regarding the pressures along horizontal lines in the context of differing fluid densities and heights.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principles of hydrostatics and the role of density in determining pressure. However, there is no consensus on the specific question of why pressures at certain points differ despite being at the same height, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for clarity regarding the relationship between fluid density, height, and pressure, suggesting that assumptions about uniformity in pressure at the same height may not hold when different fluids are involved.

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I was solving a hydrostatic physics exercise and I was going to choose the middle line, the one that does not belong to the interface, as my reference point to equalize the pressures since they are at the same height, but I realize that the calculation there does not give what it should give.
So here my question is why the pressures on the purple dots are not the same as what happens on the red dots if they are at the same height?
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For any static fluid volume that you look at, the forces balance.
The pressure force between the bottom and top surface, i.e. the buoyancy, cancel out the gravitational force.
If it's all the same fluid then the pressure at every height is the same.

Here however, you get a different pressure at the purple points because the mercury is denser than the water. Therefore the gravitational force is stronger and in order to be balanced, the pressure force must be stronger too.

Does that make sense?
 
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On the right is a figure showing the variation of pressure with distance ##y## from an arbitrary horizontal level O. The green liquid has higher mass density than the brown fluid, ##\rho_{\text{green}}>\rho_{\text{brown}}.##
Note that
1. For ##0<y<A## the pressure is atmospheric everywhere.
2. For ##A<y<B## the pressure is atmospheric in the left tube while it increases linearly above atmospheric in the right tube. The slope of the straight line is ##s=\rho_{\text{brown}}~g.##
3. For ##B<y<D## the pressure increases linearly in both tubes. The green slope is higher and the green line catches up with the brown line at point D which is the interface between the fluids. However at any point C (red dashed line) at the same height the pressures are not equal.
 
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That's a beautiful post kuruman.!
I find the axes a bit unintuitive; my brain expects them to be oriented the same way as the diagram to the left—height y on the y axis and p(y) on the x-axis, but perhaps that'd be even more confusing.

Other than that though...
A picture says more than 1000 words.
 
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samsanch0803 said:
... So here my question is why the pressures on the purple dots are not the same as what happens on the red dots if they are at the same height?
Welcome, @samsanch0803 !

Please consider that the hydrostatic pressure depends on two factors: density and height.

Same height means same pressure only if density is also the same.

As density decreases, the height of fluid column must increase, if the same hydrostatic pressure is expected.

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As the pressure at both free surfaces must be equal to the atmospheric one, and the pressure along any horizontal line crossing both columns of the same type of fluid (mercury in this case) must be equal to each other; the variation or gradient of pressures should be proportional between two types of fluids of different densities (mercury and water in this case as well).

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samsanch0803 said:
TL;DR Summary: I was solving a hydrostatic physics exercise ...
The key to understanding hydrostatics is the static part:

The forces acting on any subvolume of fluid must balance. From this it follows that columns of different density but same height require different pressure at the bottom to support them against gravity.
 
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A.T. said:
The key to understanding hydrostatics is the static part:

The forces acting on any subvolume of fluid must balance. From this it follows that columns of different density but same height require different pressure at the bottom to support them against gravity.
All that is true but does not address OP's question. OP's drawing shows two horizontal lines P3-P4 (red) and P1-P2 (purple). The fluids above each line have different densities and different heights to the surface. The OP asks how come that the pressures on each side along P3-P4 are the same while not the same along P1-P2?
 

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