I need someone to answer this physics questiopn for me please.

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The discussion revolves around the physics of projectile motion, specifically the behavior of bullets fired from a moving vehicle compared to a stationary position. Participants explore concepts related to relative motion, reference frames, and the effects of air resistance, with a focus on classical physics and relativity.

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  • One participant questions whether a bullet fired from a moving car would travel away at the speed of the bullet plus the speed of the car, or just at the speed of the bullet relative to the car.
  • Another participant asserts that a bullet will travel away from the cart with the sum of the speeds, while noting that a laser beam's speed would not be affected by the cart's motion.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of reference frames in measuring speeds, suggesting that the speeds should be considered relative to the ground.
  • It is mentioned that the classical physics framework applies here, as the speeds involved are much less than the speed of light.
  • One participant adds that air resistance would affect the bullet's speed, particularly in the context of aircraft firing bullets.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of firing bullets from a moving jet, noting that pilots must maneuver to avoid their own projectiles.

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Participants express varying viewpoints on the effects of motion on projectile speed, with some agreeing on the classical interpretation while others introduce considerations like air resistance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of these effects.

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Participants note that the discussion is framed within classical physics and Galilean relativity, with an acknowledgment that real relativistic effects are negligible at the speeds discussed. There is also a mention of the need for clarity regarding reference frames when discussing speed measurements.

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I need someone to answer this physics question for me please.

I have no education in physics, save basic high school sciences, so I must apologize for this question if it sounds stupid to you. My brother and I have been quarrelling over this all day.

He and I were playing the video game "Mega Man X" for the old super nintendo the other day. I was at a part in the game where the protagonist hops onto a mine cart and goes flying thorough a mine shaft. The protagonist is equiped with a projectile weapon on his arm and as he fires it while riding the mine cart, the projectiles travel very slowly away from him whereas the projectiles travel much faster away from him while he's standing stationary. I've established that the projectiles have a set speed whether they are being fired from a stationary postion or from the speeding mine cart. My little brother said that that would happen in our universe and him being an idiot I wasn't quick to believe him.

Suppose I were driving down a straight highway with no one around for hundreds of miles (thus making this experiment safe) and I had a handgun in my left hand. Let's also suppose that I could shoot the gun in an exact straight line realtive to the car, but next to it. I don't know exactly how fast a bullet will travel but let's also suppose that the car was going almost as fast as the bullet, let's say ten miles an hour slower than the bullet.

Here's my question; will the bullet travel away from the car at ten miles an hour or will the bullet travel away from the car at the speed of the vehicle plus how fast the bullet would travel if fired stationary? Or is there another possibility I have not taken into account?

Do you understand the question? It's my fault if you don't, like I said I have next to no science education, except for basic high school classes and an infatuation with physics books. I also haven't put too much thought into the wind resistance and gravity...I wasn't exactly sure how to factor it in there. Again I apologize if this is a stupid question.
 
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A bullet with mass will travel away from the cart with the sum of the speeds.

HOWEVER:

If you were firing a laser, the speed of laser beam would not be effected by the cart.
 
So we're both right...huh, thanks for the answer, friend
 
"stupid" this question may sound, but these are the kind of stuffs that gave us einstein's relativity (quite non-trivial). Well, the speed that you are talking about is too slow for "real" relativity to be relevant, so we may stick to classical physics and Galilean relativity (that is time is an absolute quantity and that it is the same in all reference frames). btw, when you were asking that question, you should have specified "which reference frame should the speed of the bullet or car is measured in"... note it is all about reference frame (ie. coordinate system) I guess, implicitly, you are referring to the ref frame of the ground. (ie. the coordinate grid is not moving with the car or the bullet, but moving with the ground).

Anyway, so the car and gun is moving with respect to the ground ie. to the coordinate grid, so when you fire the bullet the bullet will have a speed equal to its "normal" speed + the speed of the moving car/gun. NB, this is only true if all speeds involved is much less than the speed of light. but in the classical limit, it is correct.
 
mjsd said:
"stupid" this question may sound, but these are the kind of stuffs that gave us einstein's relativity (quite non-trivial). Well, the speed that you are talking about is too slow for "real" relativity to be relevant, so we may stick to classical physics and Galilean relativity (that is time is an absolute quantity and that it is the same in all reference frames). btw, when you were asking that question, you should have specified "which reference frame should the speed of the bullet or car is measured in"... note it is all about reference frame (ie. coordinate system) I guess, implicitly, you are referring to the ref frame of the ground. (ie. the coordinate grid is not moving with the car or the bullet, but moving with the ground).

Anyway, so the car and gun is moving with respect to the ground ie. to the coordinate grid, so when you fire the bullet the bullet will have a speed equal to its "normal" speed + the speed of the moving car/gun. NB, this is only true if all speeds involved is much less than the speed of light. but in the classical limit, it is correct.

Maybe you should try agian, this time make it a bit more complicated. :rolleyes: Note that your final answer is the same as my first single sentence reply.
 
As an extension to Integral's answer, if the vehicle speed is constant then it will ultimately appear as though the bullet begins traveling slower than you due to the fact that air friction will slow the bullet down. I've heard that jets which fire convential bullets in dogfights have to roll out of the way in order to keep from running over their own shots.
 
both right
Since you can see the projectile in the game, it's safe to asssume it's not a beam of light or some imaginary object that travels at the speed of light.

Assuming it's a bullet in your example, it leave the barrel at the same speed relative to the stationary or moving barrel, with a slight difference due to the air resistance while moving forwards at a high speed.

Regarding jets flying into their own bullets, the bullets follow a normal glide path (almost ballistic though, bullets don't glide well). So unless a pilot followed or intercepted the path of the bullets there shouldn't be an issue. For example, it would be dumb to fire bullets straight up and then fly straight up into them.
 

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