I remember when I was young I saw people emptying the water from their

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The discussion centers around the operation of a siphon, specifically how it can be used to empty water from a tank without mechanical assistance. Participants explore the underlying principles, including references to Bernoulli's principle and hydrostatic pressure, while seeking clarification on these concepts.

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  • One participant describes the basic operation of a siphon, noting the need to fill the tube and create a U-shape to initiate water flow.
  • Another participant suggests that searching for "siphon" online would provide comprehensive information.
  • A participant expresses confusion about hydrostatic pressure despite finding some explanations helpful.
  • One participant explains that water will flow if the end of the tube is lower than the water surface in the tank, emphasizing the role of height difference (H) in determining flow speed.
  • Equations related to Bernoulli's principle are presented, with a focus on the relationship between height difference and fluid velocity.
  • Participants confirm the definitions of variables in the equations, such as fluid density and gravitational acceleration.
  • Some participants note the counterintuitive nature of siphon operation, particularly in relation to gravity.

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Participants generally agree on the basic mechanics of siphons and the role of height difference in fluid flow, but there remains some confusion regarding hydrostatic pressure and the implications of Bernoulli's principle. No consensus is reached on the clarity of these concepts.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the application of Bernoulli's principle and hydrostatic pressure, indicating a need for further clarification on these topics.

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I remember when I was young I saw people emptying the water from their tanks using a flexible tube(without any pumps or other mechanical device). If I am not wrong, you first fill the tube with a little bit of water and make a U shape,then you close the 2 ends with your thumbs and put the tube in the tank and somehow it begins to suck the water out of the tank.

I'm curious to know what causes this? I thought of Bernoulli's principle/effect but I don't really understand the explanation on Wikipedia. Never learned anything about it in school either.

Can anyone explain this to me? In simple terms and/or with simple formulas please. Just wanted to know :D
 
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If you Google "siphon", I think you will get everything you need to know.
 


Vanadium 50 said:
If you Google "siphon", I think you will get everything you need to know.

That explained a lot ^^ still a little confused about hydrostatic pressure though.
 


First you need to fill the tube to the highest point and then the water will flow if the end of the tube is lower from the surface of the fluid in the tank. And and the speed of the water flowing out will depend of the potential (height) difference(H) between the surface of the water of the tank (first section) and the opening of the tube (that will be our second section).

If we suppose that the thank and open end of the tube are open to the a atmospheric pressure and speed of the surface of the fluid in the tank is near zero then the Bernoulli equation will become:
[tex]\rho[/tex]v2/2g=H
from that
v=[tex]\sqrt{}2gH[/tex]
If the height deference (H) is 0 then then the speed will be 0, so no water will flow.
 


vlado_skopsko said:
First you need to fill the tube to the highest point and then the water will flow if the end of the tube is lower from the surface of the fluid in the tank. And and the speed of the water flowing out will depend of the potential (height) difference(H) between the surface of the water of the tank (first section) and the opening of the tube (that will be our second section).

If we suppose that the thank and open end of the tube are open to the a atmospheric pressure and speed of the surface of the fluid in the tank is near zero then the Bernoulli equation will become:
[tex]\rho[/tex]v2/2g=H
from that
v=[tex]\sqrt{}2gH[/tex]
If the height deference (H) is 0 then then the speed will be 0, so no water will flow.

thanks for the two equations! i am playing around with them. Just to check, v = velocity of fluid , g = 9.81m/s^2 and p = fluid density?
 


Yes. At first how the siphon works is a little bit counterintuitive.
 


vlado_skopsko said:
Yes. At first how the siphon works is a little bit counterintuitive.

Yeah cause it seems to go against gravity. It's fine though :)
 

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