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The discussion revolves around converting complex numbers into polar form, specifically focusing on the calculation of angles using the tangent function. Participants are examining the polar representation of complex numbers such as z1 = 1 - i and z = -√3 + i.

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate angles using the tangent function, questioning how to derive specific angles in radians from their tangent values. There is confusion regarding the quadrant in which the complex numbers lie and how that affects the angle calculation.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the tangent function and the angles, while others have pointed out potential misunderstandings regarding the quadrant placements of the complex numbers. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly interpret the results of the tangent calculations.

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Participants are discussing the implications of quadrant locations on angle calculations, with some noting that calculators provide angles within a limited range, which may not correspond directly to the angles needed for polar representation. There is also a request for a comprehensive list of angles in both degrees and radians.

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Hi



I face some problem when i try to find tan in like this questions



for example : write in polar

z1 = 1 - i

the answer is -5π/4

but my answer is

tan Q = y/x = -1/1 = -1



how I get -5π/4



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ex : 2



z = -root3 + i

my answer is

tanQ = -1/root3 = -0.143

but the answer is = 5π/6



How i get the answer 5π/6



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please help me >>
 
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r-soy said:
Hi



I face some problem when i try to find tan in like this questions



for example : write in polar

z1 = 1 - i

the answer is -5π/4

but my answer is

tan Q = y/x = -1/1 = -1



how I get -5π/4



--------------



ex : 2



z = -root3 + i

my answer is

tanQ = -1/root3 = -0.143

but the answer is = 5π/6



How i get the answer 5π/6



----





please help me >>

A complex number on the form [tex]x+iy[/tex] and the point of your exercise is to find [itex]\theta[/itex]

you know that

[tex]tan(\theta) = \frac{y}{x}[/tex] Understand?
 
r-soy said:
Hi



I face some problem when i try to find tan in like this questions



for example : write in polar

z1 = 1 - i

the answer is -5π/4

but my answer is

tan Q = y/x = -1/1 = -1



how I get -5π/4
Do you even know what question you are trying to answer?
"[itex]- 5\pi/4[/itex]" is NOT the answer to the question posed, to write 1- i in polar form but it is part of the answer. Yes, tan(Q)= -1 and a calculator will tell you that [itex]Q= tan^{-1}(-1)= -45[/itex] degrees or [itex]-\pi/4[/itex] radians. You should also be able to recognize that tangent is 1 when the "near side" and "opposite" side are the same- an isosceles right triangle with angles or 45 degrees= [ Of course, that is in the
fourth quadrant where x is positive and y is negative so that is the correct answer. You can also write that, as a positive number, [itex]2\pi- \pi/4= 8\pi/4- \pi/4= 7\pi/4[/itex]. [itex]-5\pi/4[/itex] is NOT the correct argument. That is in the second quadrant and so is
the argument for -1+ i.

To find the polar form you will also need the modulus or absolute value. That is [math]\sqrt{1^2+ (-1)^2}= \sqrt{2}[/math].

--------------



ex : 2



z = -root3 + i

my answer is

tanQ = -1/root3 = -0.143

but the answer is = 5π/6



How i get the answer 5π/6
Once again, the value you are looking for is NOT "tan(Q)" but Q itself. To find that take the inverse tangent. A calculator will tell you that [itex]Q= tan^{-1}(-1/\sqrt{3})= -30 degrees= [itex]-\pi/6[/itex] radians. Again that is in the fourth quadrant (a calculator always gives arctan values between [itex]-\pi/2[/itex] and [itex]\pi/2[/itex]). But [itex]-\sqrt{3}+ i[/itex] with negative x value and positive y is in the second quadrant: the correct angle is [itex]\pi- \pi/6= 6\pi/6- \pi/6= 5\pi/6[/itex].<br /> <br /> And, again, for polar form you will need the modulus, [itex]\sqrt{(-\sqrt{3})^2+1^2}=\sqrt{3+ 1}= \sqrt{4}= 2[/itex]. <br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> <br /> ----<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> please help me >>[/QUOTE][/itex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
Do you even know what question you are trying to answer?
"[itex]- 5\pi/4[/itex]" is NOT the answer to the question posed, to write 1- i in polar form but it is part of the answer. Yes, tan(Q)= -1 and a calculator will tell you that [itex]Q= tan^{-1}(-1)= -45[/itex] degrees or [itex]-\pi/4[/itex] radians. You should also be able to recognize that tangent is 1 when the "near side" and "opposite" side are the same- an isosceles right triangle with angles or 45 degrees= [ Of course, that is in the
fourth quadrant where x is positive and y is negative so that is the correct answer. You can also write that, as a positive number, [itex]2\pi- \pi/4= 8\pi/4- \pi/4= 7\pi/4[/itex]. [itex]-5\pi/4[/itex] is NOT the correct argument. That is in the second quadrant and so is
the argument for -1+ i.

To find the polar form you will also need the modulus or absolute value. That is [math]\sqrt{1^2+ (-1)^2}= \sqrt{2}[/math].


Once again, the value you are looking for is NOT "tan(Q)" but Q itself. To find that take the inverse tangent. A calculator will tell you that [itex]Q= tan^{-1}(-1/\sqrt{3})= -30 degrees= [itex]-\pi/6[/itex] radians. Again that is in the fourth quadrant (a calculator always gives arctan values between [itex]-\pi/2[/itex] and [itex]\pi/2[/itex]). But [itex]-\sqrt{3}+ i[/itex] with negative x value and positive y is in the second quadrant: the correct angle is [itex]\pi- \pi/6= 6\pi/6- \pi/6= 5\pi/6[/itex].<br /> <br /> And, again, for polar form you will need the modulus, [itex]\sqrt{(-\sqrt{3})^2+1^2}=\sqrt{3+ 1}= \sqrt{4}= 2[/itex]. [/itex]
[itex] <br /> <br /> ----<br /> <br /> <br /> I have a different view of this <br /> <br /> let z = 1-i be a complex number first<br /> <br /> then we find the angle alpha[tex]\alpha = tan^{-1}(-1) = -45 = \frac{-\pi}{4}[/tex]<br /> <br /> since z = 1-i lies within the second quadrant<br /> <br /> so [tex]180--45 = 225[/tex] degrees. Which in Radians are [tex]\theta = \frac{5\pi}{4<br /> }[/tex][/itex]
 
Now i understand it

thanks


If posiible i want all angle with degrees and radians

for exaple : 45 = π/4
30 = π/6

help me
 
r-soy said:
Now i understand it

thanks


If posiible i want all angle with degrees and radians

for exaple : 45 = π/4
30 = π/6

help me

You are welcome r-soy :)
 
Susanne217 said:
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I have a different view of this

let z = 1-i be a complex number first

then we find the angle alpha[tex]\alpha = tan^{-1}(-1) = -45 = \frac{-\pi}{4}[/tex]

since z = 1-i lies within the second quadrant
No, z is in the fourth quadrant.
Susanne217 said:
so [tex]180--45 = 225[/tex] degrees. Which in Radians are [tex]\theta = \frac{5\pi}{4<br /> }[/tex]
As a positive angle it would be 7pi/4.
 
If posiible i want all angle with degrees and radians

for exaple : 45 = π/4
30 = π/6

help me
 

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