I want to Ionize Hydrogen in a Balloon

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenge of ionizing hydrogen gas within a latex balloon using a high voltage source. Participants explore the feasibility and safety concerns associated with this process, considering both the technical aspects and potential hazards.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their attempt to ionize hydrogen using a 20KV source from a TV anode but reports limited success when applying the voltage directly to the balloon or using tin foil.
  • Another participant suggests that the high pressure of hydrogen and the relatively low electric field strength at 1 bar pressure make it insufficient for ionization.
  • A different participant downplays the danger, stating that the amount of hydrogen used is minimal and that igniting it would not result in a significant explosion.
  • One participant expresses frustration at the lack of solutions, implying that they have alternative ideas but does not elaborate.
  • A later reply dismisses the thread as moot, suggesting that if one participant already knows the answer, further discussion may be unnecessary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the safety and feasibility of ionizing hydrogen in a balloon. While some raise concerns about the risks involved, others downplay these risks and suggest that the discussion may not be productive.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the methods for ionizing hydrogen or the associated risks, and there are unresolved questions regarding the effectiveness of the proposed techniques.

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Right now I blow up latex balloons with hydrogen. I am using the 20KV from a TV anode. I don't seem to be able to just stick the bare wire end of this HV source to ionize the Hydrogen. Covering the outside of the balloon with tin foil and putting the 20KV on that did next to nothing.

Any ideas how I can ionize the hydrogen inside the balloon?
 
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You like to play dangerous games, don't you !

The answer why it doesn't work is that the pressure of the hydrogen is too high, and the electric field too low: you have 20 KV over several cm at 1 bar, this is simply not strong enough.

But I would urge you to stop doing what you do: if ever you have a leak, and you have a spark because of the HV, then you will have a rather powerful hydrogen explosion.
 
No I am just using just a little hydrogen in about 10" Balloons, even if ignited it would just flash about like a fire cracker, but even a 20KV arc that popped the balloon didn't catch it on fire.
 
So nobody knows

So nobody knows how to do this, well I have some ideas
 
Jedi_Sawyer said:
So nobody knows how to do this, well I have some ideas

Since you already know, then this thread is moot.

Zz.
 

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