I want to learn quantum physics but

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The discussion revolves around the prerequisites for learning quantum physics, particularly whether a background in classical physics and mathematics is necessary. Participants share their experiences and recommendations regarding resources and courses for studying quantum physics.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the necessity of classical physics as a foundation for studying quantum physics, noting difficulty with the mathematics in their quantum physics book.
  • Another participant suggests that the depth of understanding desired will dictate whether to start with layman-level resources or more rigorous texts, indicating that a more precise understanding requires a solid grasp of classical physics.
  • A participant mentions their experience with Dirac's "Principles of QM," emphasizing the importance of linear algebra and linear operators for understanding quantum mechanics.
  • Some participants argue that a basic understanding of classical mechanics is essential, while others believe that it is not strictly necessary to delve into Hamiltonian mechanics for a foundational understanding of quantum mechanics.
  • One participant recommends Fitzpatrick's "Quantum Mechanics: A Graduate Course," noting that while it is a graduate-level text, it introduces concepts gradually and emphasizes the importance of understanding linear algebra.
  • Another participant reassures that reviewing prerequisite math knowledge should suffice for understanding quantum mechanics without additional stress.
  • Several participants share resources, including video lectures from Stanford, as potential aids for learning quantum physics.
  • There is a request for clarification on the specific book being used by the original poster, which is identified as "Quantum Mechanics: Concepts and Applications" by Nouredine Zettili.

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Participants express a range of views on the necessity of classical physics and mathematics for studying quantum physics, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach or resources. Some advocate for a strong mathematical foundation, while others suggest a more relaxed approach may be sufficient.

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Participants highlight varying levels of mathematical preparedness and familiarity with classical physics, which may influence their recommendations. There are also references to specific texts and resources that may not be universally applicable to all learners.

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Hi. Would you guys think it is essential to take a course or read a book based on classical physics as a starter leading on to quantum physics? I got a pretty deep book on QP but the maths has got me lost because it takes a lot of stuff from classical physics and not having been in a maths classroom for 10 years I find myself totally lost and a little discouraged.

Thanks.
 
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bhouncy said:
Hi. Would you guys think it is essential to take a course or read a book based on classical physics as a starter leading on to quantum physics? I got a pretty deep book on QP but the maths has got me lost because it takes a lot of stuff from classical physics and not having been in a maths classroom for 10 years I find myself totally lost and a little discouraged.

Thanks.
It depends on how well you want to learn it. A book on quantum mechanics for the layman fill feed you the physics that you may not know. If you want more precise understanding, i.e. with the math, then I'd recommend learnining physics the hard way. We're here for you if you do.

Pete
 
pmb_phy said:
It depends on how well you want to learn it. A book on quantum mechanics for the layman fill feed you the physics that you may not know. If you want more precise understanding, i.e. with the math, then I'd recommend learnining physics the hard way. We're here for you if you do.

Pete

Thanks for the reply. I got the book to see if QP was an area of study I would enjoy. So far I am very intrigued and would love to learn more. The thing that is on my mind at the moment is starting and Open University course. I would imagine it would start off fairly light and build up to the more intense stuff.
 
Do you have iTunes by chance? I am sure there is a way around it if you don't, but try this

http://itunes.stanford.edu/ Click on the "open Stanford on iTunes" button and on the first page is a series of video lectures called "Modern Theoretical Physics Minimum."

I have not watched it (nor would I be able to critique it if I did b/c I am just not qualified) but it seems to be what you might be looking for.
 
I am learning quantum mechanics from Dirac's Principles of QM but I am a math student. From what I studied so far (about the first 4 chapters on the book), QM is intensive on linear algebra and linear operators. I think it is essential that you learn at least linear algebra up and including Hilbert Spaces.
 
dont worry too much about it. just know the stuff in your math pre req classes and the QM teacher will teach what u need to know. U don't need to do anythign extra. Just do a quick review of what u alrdy learned and you'll be fine. Don't stress out on that.
 
JasonJo said:
I am learning quantum mechanics from Dirac's Principles of QM but I am a math student. From what I studied so far (about the first 4 chapters on the book), QM is intensive on linear algebra and linear operators. I think it is essential that you learn at least linear algebra up and including Hilbert Spaces.

But you cannot read Dirac's book without knowing advanced mechanics..
 
If you want to truly understand QM at say, a graduate level (which I started with, after learning basic Newtonian mechanics and basic Lagrangian mechanics), then you could try to use Fitzpatrick's "Quantum Mechanics: A Graduate Course." Lots of it leaves exercises up to the reader (where it says stuff like 'it is obvious that...'), but it forces people to think, which really helps people understand the concepts. Now it IS a graduate level textbook, but it isn't that bad to move through at a decent rate (it's the summer now, and I've gone through about half of it, 80 pages, in three weeks or so). However, it really helps to understand linear algebra (what's a vector space? what are eigenvalues, etc.?). I disagree with JasonJo where you have to know linear algebra including Hilbert Spaces... it most definitely helps, but Fitzpatrick's book teaches you the Hilbert Space knowledge... it's more of something you just notice rather than pursue... (it helps to put it into perspective... a state ket is a vector which represents a quantum state... so Fitzpatrick just says okay * insert info about state kets here * oh and it's part of a Hilbert space * more stuff here *, etc.). In short, he just *mentions* that state kets are part of a Hilbert space. There's nothing really more.

Now, with the classical mechanics, there is a chapter relating to Hamiltonian mechanics, but it's not absolutely NECESSARY to read through Hamiltonian mechanics... just know the basics (the equations associated with it, and that's about it). Now, Newtonian mechanics is very important to know, because QM is a generalization of Newtonian + Lagrangian + Hamiltonian mechanics... so if you're not familiar with quantities like momentum, energy, and angular momentum, you may be in for a ride. Best of luck!
 
Saladsamurai said:
Do you have iTunes by chance? I am sure there is a way around it if you don't, but try this

http://itunes.stanford.edu/ Click on the "open Stanford on iTunes" button and on the first page is a series of video lectures called "Modern Theoretical Physics Minimum."

I have not watched it (nor would I be able to critique it if I did b/c I am just not qualified) but it seems to be what you might be looking for.

Thanks for that. Downloading the first vid on quantum mechanics. Great find!
 
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bhouncy said:
I got a pretty deep book on QP ...
What book are you using?
 
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Doc Al said:
What book are you using?

Quantum Mechanics: Concepts and Applications - Nouredine Zettili
 

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