IAU Redefines the Solar System: 12 Planets, Countless Possibilities

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the International Astronomical Union's potential redefinition of the Solar System to include 12 planets, with a focus on the implications of this change, the classification of celestial bodies, and the reactions from the astronomy community and the public. The scope includes theoretical considerations, definitions of planetary status, and the impact on existing classifications.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Xena would become the most distant planet, while others emphasize that it is currently known as 2003 UB313.
  • There is a proposal that Charon should be classified as a planet due to its unique orbit with Pluto, leading to the concept of a double planet system.
  • Participants express mixed feelings about Ceres being reclassified as the smallest planet, with some questioning whether this is an upgrade or downgrade.
  • Some argue that the new definition of a planet is overly simplistic and may lead to a rapid increase in the number of recognized planets, potentially reaching into the hundreds or thousands.
  • Concerns are raised about the confusion this redefinition may cause, particularly among astrologers and the general public.
  • There are differing opinions on whether the classification of Pluto should remain as a planet or if it should be downgraded, with some advocating for a clearer distinction between planets and other celestial bodies.
  • Some participants mention historical terms like "planetoids" and express curiosity about their relevance in light of recent developments.
  • A few participants express skepticism about the motivations behind the reclassification, suggesting that astronomers may be seeking attention.
  • There is a discussion about the pronunciation of the term "plutons" and its implications for public perception and science education.
  • One participant presents a mathematical argument regarding the Earth-moon barycenter, indicating a disagreement with another participant's calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the redefinition of planets. Some support the inclusion of new celestial bodies as planets, while others strongly oppose this view, particularly regarding Pluto, Charon, and Ceres.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of a universally accepted definition of a planet, the potential for varying interpretations of celestial classifications, and the unresolved nature of the discussions surrounding the proposed changes.

  • #31
"My Very Educated Mother Just Showed Us Nine Planets", the famous mnemonic to remember the names of the nine planets when we were kids viz. Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto.
I wonder what kind new mnemonic has to be invented with the recent developments in the order of planets :biggrin: .
 
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  • #32
Yeah, that is kind of a cop-out, isn't it? I mean, by that definition, Neptune should also be downgraded, because it hasn't cleared Pluto out of its orbit.
 
  • #33
It seems to me they picked a definition where they can call anything a planet or a non-planet, depending on how they "feel" about the object. Really, this whole process was a complete waste of time, and the definition they came up with is downright pathetic.
 
  • #34
Come to think of it, since there are still thousands of NEO's, we don't live on a planet, do we?
 
  • #35
How could there be 12 when they just announced Pluto isn't a planet?
 
  • #36
Line said:
How could there be 12 when they just announced Pluto isn't a planet?

They initially proposed 12 planets, the proposal is then rejected and ended up with demoting pluto instead.
 
  • #37
I'm happy with everything the IAU has done, except "dwarf planets." While Pluto was a planet it had "double status" as a planet and a Kuiper belt object; now it's simply a "dwarf planet" and nothing else. Pluto and Eris (Xena) are clearly just very big Kuiper belt objects, and while I'm happy with the dwarf-planet classification to make them special (Pluto and Eris are special because they're so large and rounded) I think they should also have dual status as dwarf planets and KBOs. They are clearly KBOs and should be recognised as such.
Ceres is an asteroid. Don't tell me it's not. OK, it's special, it deserves to be classed as a dwarf planet because it's large and round, yeah yeah. But... it's clearly an asteroid. Just a big one. How can you possibly say it isn't?
I'd be happy with 8 or 12 planets, as long as Pluto/Eris were recognised as KBOs as well as (dwarf) planets and Ceres was an asteroid as well as a (dwarf) planet.
 

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