Identifying Different Radioactive Balls Easily

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying two radioactive balls made of different materials but having the same radius and weight. Participants explore methods to distinguish between the balls, considering factors like half-life and the presence of an absorbing layer.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of an "absorbing layer," seeking clarification on whether it absorbs all radiated particles and energy.
  • Another suggests measuring changes in densities as a potential method for differentiation.
  • A proposal is made to immerse the balls in separate baths of water and use thermal instrumentation to identify them.
  • One participant believes measuring density is the easiest method, suggesting that the ball with a longer half-life would sink faster in water.
  • Concerns are raised about how to measure density changes if all reaction products remain within the balls.
  • Some participants propose spinning the balls to observe differences in moment of inertia due to the absorbing layer.
  • A humorous remark is made about personal radioactive balls, which shifts the tone of the discussion.
  • One participant shares observations about the decay rates of their "radioactive balls," noting a non-linear pattern over time without a rational explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views on how to identify the radioactive balls, with no consensus reached on the best method. Participants express uncertainty about the implications of the absorbing layer and how it affects measurement techniques.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of the absorbing layer and its effects on the measurements. There are unresolved questions about the nature of density changes and the implications of the decay rates observed.

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There are 2 radioactive balls, which have the same radius and the same weight. They are covered with absorbing layer. They are made of diffrent materials, with other half-life. What is the easiest way to recognise which is which?
I had searched for the answer for a longer time and could not find out. Please for help.
 
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What do you mean by an absorbing layer? Do you mean the layer absorbs all of the radiated particles and energy from the radioactivity?
 
You could, in principle, measure a change in densities somehow? ( Hint.)
 
If you had the 2 balls with different levels of radiactivity immersed ( frak - I had to look up how to spell that word ) in separate baths of water in inslolated containers each with thermal instrumentation, could you devise a way to tell them apart?
 
thank you very much. that's a great idea to measure their densities or temperatures. i think, that one with density is the easiest one. you put them in water and the ball which has longer half-life would move down faster.
 
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daveb said:
What do you mean by an absorbing layer? Do you mean the layer absorbs all of the radiated particles and energy from the radioactivity?

yes.
 
dark_vader93 said:
thank you very much. that's a great idea to measure their densities or temperatures. i think, that one with density is the easiest one. you put them in water and the ball which has longer half-life would move down faster.

But remember, the problem, I think, demands that all products of the reaction stay within the ball. So how would you measures density change and 'which' densities would change?
 
I vote for spinning the ball. If there is a layer (like skin) absorbing the radiated particles, then the moment of inertia of the balls should change at different rates.
 
Matterwave said:
I vote for spinning the ball. If there is a layer (like skin) absorbing the radiated particles, then the moment of inertia of the balls should change at different rates.

Go for it my son.
 
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My g/f says I have two radioactive balls. ;-)
 
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How fast are they decaying?
 
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> How fast are they decaying?

Pretty fast these days. The interesting thing is that the decay rate is highly non-linear lately. I observed no decay in the first 20 years, a linear decay in the next ten years, somewhat of a geometric rate in years 30- 40, but since year 40 the rate appears to be exponential.

I have no rational explanation for my observations.
 
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Use it or lose it my friend. No reason for things to fizzle out before the age of ninety!
 

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