Save 1 Scientific Theory/Formulae: A Big Question

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The discussion centers around the question of which single scientific theory or formula should be preserved if all scientific knowledge were to be lost. Participants explore various theories and formulas from physics, mathematics, and broader scientific concepts, considering their practicality and foundational importance.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose F = ma as a practical choice due to its wide applications in various fields such as engineering and physics.
  • Others suggest the Theory of Evolution, emphasizing its significance despite being less immediately practical than F = ma.
  • One participant mentions the principle of extremal action as a sophisticated method for deriving dynamics in systems without friction.
  • Another participant argues for the scientific method as a foundational concept that underpins all scientific inquiry.
  • Some participants express interest in preserving the standard model of particle physics, noting its ability to derive classical physics concepts.
  • There is a suggestion to keep the formula e^{\pi{i}} + 1 = 0 for its aesthetic beauty.
  • One participant humorously proposes an obscure formula in string theory, highlighting the complexity of modern physics.
  • Concerns are raised about whether understanding the formula would be retained alongside it, with some asserting that a formula without understanding is essentially useless.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of opinions on which theory or formula to save, with no consensus reached. Multiple competing views remain, reflecting differing values placed on practicality, foundational importance, and aesthetic qualities of scientific concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the necessity of understanding the science behind formulas, and the implications of preserving certain theories without their contextual knowledge are not fully resolved.

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Title says it all!
 
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F = ma

Probably the most practical for a time immediately following the loss of all other scientific formulas.
 
Good one!


I must say, I'm expecting sum1 to create a forumula with as many different aspects of physics in it post it ... but then again...whose Italics[that] bothered?
 
Personally - Theory of Evolution has to be one of the top 5 [though not as immediately practical as f=ma].

Maybe the choice should be based on practicality. Jus had a thought-What about one that the medieval mind-set of seeing the heavens as different from Earth i.e. sum of Galilieos ideas maybe. Or maybe Roger Bacon's advocacy of the experimentalism..
 
If all science was to disappear, which 1 scientific theory/formulae would you save?

why? :rolleyes:
 
It's like an interesting (?) way of asking your favourite or most important scientific theories/formulae ... like what would-u-take-to-a-desert-island kind of question.

Oh...i c...you're asking 'y would u save ANY of the formulases' ...lol
 
Exactly. I mean if science is gone ... =)
 
lol

You're in the wrong forum then ... :D
 
I suppose so.
 
  • #10
The principle of extremal action.
 
  • #11
What's that Janotor? Haven't heard of that one b4 ...
 
  • #12
It's a fancy-pants way of deriving the dynamics of a system, at least in cases where there is no friction.
 
  • #13
Oh, ok ... basically advanced stuff I don't understand :D
 
  • #14
What is an elektron. Then rest of science can come from that.
 
  • #15
e^{\pi{i}}+1=0
It's such a beatiful formula that it doesn't deserve to die.
 
  • #16
If it all vanished, which idea would I keep?

The scientific method.
 
  • #17
I'd keep the standard model of particle physics, since classical physics can be derived from it.
 
  • #18
1 = 1; if it’s really true. I have seen a 150 or so page proof of such, but I still think it may just be a vicious rumor.
 
  • #19
Ivan Seeking said:
1 = 1; if it’s really true. I have seen a 150 or so page proof of such, but I still think it may just be a vicious rumor.

Really? ... what's the problem with working that out?
 
  • #20
i'd keep calculus, you can do anything with calculus
 
  • #21
In Feynman's opinion, its the fact that" stuff is made of atoms "that ought to be saved.
And i quite agree with him...
 
  • #22
I disagree with him. It doesn't really have much immediate use nor does it take a giant leap of imagination to think things are made of atoms.
 
  • #23
Well, there's one important clarification that needs to be made...

Do we get to keep the science necessary to understand the formula?
 
  • #24
Erm ... yes I guess. A formulae with no understanding-pretty useless.
 
  • #25
I'm guessing, but i think "stuff is made of atoms" means just that - things are made of atoms which doesn't requires us to know nature of atoms
 
  • #26
Excellent, then I'll choose some obscure formula in string theory that simply couldn't be understood without knowing most of modern physics. :smile:
 
  • #27
Lol...I knew it! I knew sum1 would do that - even better - expand the forumulae to include as much physics as possible! lol
 
  • #28
I wasn't going to cheat that much... :smile:
 
  • #29
I still say F = ma.

First of all, you can work out necessary equations for pumping water, building stresses for construction, horsepower equations, physics of power generation, clock movement, machinery, automotive engineering, pulley systems, etc., things necessary to our day-to-day existence.

From F=ma you can work out the gravitational constant, once you know that, you can consider the movements of the planets and our motion to the Sun. From that you can work out the necessary formulas for planetary distance, speed of light calculations, this leads to E=MC^2, which leads to Qantum physics, String theory, etc...
 
  • #30
F=ma gets my vote (for the moment)
 

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