If g°f is one-to-one, must f and g both be one-to-

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The discussion revolves around the properties of function composition, specifically whether both functions in a composition must be one-to-one if the composition itself is one-to-one. The subject area includes concepts from mathematical reasoning and function theory.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the necessity of both functions being one-to-one, with some asserting that only the first function needs to be injective. Questions arise regarding the reasoning behind this conclusion and the implications of function mapping.

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There is an ongoing exploration of examples and counterexamples to illustrate the properties of the functions involved. Some participants express confusion about why the second function does not need to be one-to-one, while others attempt to clarify this point through specific cases.

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Participants reference graded work that states only the first function must be injective, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the concept. There is mention of specific mappings and their properties, which may not fully resolve the participants' questions.

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1. If g°f (g composed with f, two functions) is one-to-one, must f and g both be one-to-one?

2. The answer is, no, only f has to be, but I just can't see why!
 
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Obviously g needs to be one to one when restricted to Im(f) ...
 
Apparently not! I first guessed that both f and g had to be one-to-one, because I could not draw a map otherwise, but the graded work sent back to me said "No! Only f has to be 1-1"
 
Also, the next problem is: "Let f:A→B and g:B→C be maps such that g°f is injective. Prove that f must be injective."

So, twice he's said that it is f that must be injective. I just can't figure out why g doesn't have to be...
 
catherinenanc said:
Apparently not! I first guessed that both f and g had to be one-to-one, because I could not draw a map otherwise, but the graded work sent back to me said "No! Only f has to be 1-1"

Your grader is right, now try to read my post again and complete the ... part, starting with a 'but'.
 
Ok, I am seeing an example and a counterexample.

f={(1,1),(2,2)} and g={(1,1),(2,2),(3,2)}. Then f is one-to-one, g is not, and g°f={(1,1),(2,2)} is. Right? This works because the domain of g is not restricted to the image of f.

Also, f={(1,1),(2,2),(3,2)} and g={(1,1),(2,2)}. Then f is not one-to-one, g is, and g°f={(1,1),(2,2),(3,2)} is not.
 
Does this apply to the problem?
 
catherinenanc said:
Does this apply to the problem?

yes that is right, but the last part does not prove anything, only the first part is important
 

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