If I pull a pulley, what is the tension in the string around it?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a pulley system, specifically focusing on the tension in the string when a force is applied. Participants are exploring the implications of a massless pulley and how it affects the forces acting on the system.

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  • Participants are questioning why the tension in the string is F/2 instead of F, with some suggesting that the weightlessness of the pulley plays a role. Others are exploring the balance of forces acting on the pulley and how the forces in the string interact with the applied force.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the mechanics of the system. Some have offered reasoning regarding the balance of forces and the implications of a massless pulley, while others are still seeking clarification on specific aspects of the force interactions.

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There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the mass and friction of the pulley, as well as the nature of forces acting on the system. Participants are considering the ideal conditions necessary for their reasoning.

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F = ma
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I assumed that each of the masses attached to the string would be pulled with a force F, instead of F/2, which appears to be the correct value. Why is it F/2? I suspect the fact that the pulley is "weightless" has something to do with the F/2 value. What is it?

Thank you.
 
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phantomvommand said:
Why is it F/2? I suspect the fact that the pulley is "weightless" has something to do with the F/2 value.
Yes indeed. Since the pulley is massless, there cannot be a net force on it -- if there was, its acceleration would be infinite.
 
Doc Al said:
Yes indeed. Since the pulley is massless, there cannot be a net force on it -- if there was, its acceleration would be infinite.
thanks for this. What is not clear to me is how the F/2 force in each branch of the string acts to negate the F force on the pulley. At the "bend" of the string, wouldn't the forces there just be F/2 in 2 opposite directions, both of which are perpendicular to the direction of F on the pulley? How does the pulley experience the opposing force of F?
 
Perhaps because I'm lazy, but I just imagine a "box" around the pulley with the two strings pulling one way and the force F pulling the other way. That way I can avoid worrying about the details of the interaction between the pulley and the string as it goes around the bend. (Note that there will be "normal" forces acting on the string as it bends around the pulley.)
 
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Summation of forces and moments about the axis of that pulley are both zero, as the thing is not rotating or falling apart.

In order to be a balance of x-axis forces acting on the pulley, T1+T2=F.
For ideal conditions of no mass and no friction in the axis of the pulley, T1=T2.
 

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