If sequence {x} is in l2, does x_n<k/n follow?

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The discussion revolves around a sequence {x} belonging to the space ℓ², where the sum of the squares of its elements converges. The central question is whether this implies the existence of a constant K such that x_n is less than K/n for all n.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the sequence being in ℓ² and question whether a bound can be established for the terms of the sequence. Some consider potential counterexamples and the role of convergence criteria.

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The discussion has evolved with participants suggesting various approaches to find counterexamples. One participant proposes a specific sequence and demonstrates that it belongs to ℓ² while challenging the existence of a bound K, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants note the importance of convergence criteria and the potential for sequences that may seem to fit the criteria but do not, particularly in relation to the behavior of series involving logarithmic terms.

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Homework Statement


Suppose we have a sequence {x} = {x_1, x_2, ...} and we know that \{x\}\in\ell^2, i.e. \sum^\infty x^2_n&lt;\infty. Does it follow that there exists a K>0 such that x_n&lt;K/n for all n?

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The converse is easy, \sum 1/n^2 = \pi^2/6, so there would be a finite upper bound for \sum^\infty x^2_n&lt;\infty.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm stuck. I cannot think of a counterexample and my hunch is that it's true. I was hoping that maybe from \sum^\infty x^2_n=L for some L I could derive a bound for the elements of the sum involving the summation index, but to no avail so far.
 
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If you had something like x_n = 1/\sqrt{n}, there would be no such K, right? Of course \sum x_n^2 doesn't converge in that case, but can you replace enough of the x_n's with 0 to achieve convergence?
 
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Homework Statement


Suppose we have a sequence {x} = {x_1, x_2, ...} and we know that \{x\}\in\ell^2, i.e. \sum^\infty x^2_n&lt;\infty. Does it follow that there exists a K>0 such that x_n&lt;K/n for all n?

Homework Equations


The converse is easy, \sum 1/n^2 = \pi^2/6, so there would be a finite upper bound for \sum^\infty x^2_n&lt;\infty.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm stuck. I cannot think of a counterexample and my hunch is that it's true. I was hoping that maybe from \sum^\infty x^2_n=L for some L I could derive a bound for the elements of the sum involving the summation index, but to no avail so far.

When you think about the p series$$\sum_1^\infty \frac 1 {n^p}$$you know that p=1 is the dividing line between convergence and divergence. So as soon as p > 1 even a little, you get convergence. You might be lulled into thinking that anything bigger than n in the denominator will give convergence because of this. But that is wrong because the series$$\sum_2^\infty \frac 1 {n\ln n}$$also diverges. The logarithm grows so slowly that it doesn't help enough to get convergence.

This is a roundabout way of suggesting that if you are looking for counterexamples right on the edge of convergence-divergence, a judicious use of logarithms in the formula might help.
 
I like jbunnii's suggestion better. Make a lot of terms in your series 0.
 
Yeah, that was a good suggestion indeed, it seems almost trivial now. Let {x} be given by
x_n=1/\sqrt{n} if n=m^2 for some m, 0 else. So we would have x={1,0,0,1/2,0,0,0,0,1/3,0, ...} for the first few terms. Then:
\sum_{n=1}^\infty x_n^2 = \sum_{m=1}^\infty (1/\sqrt{m^2})^2=\sum 1/m^2=\pi^2/6, so x\in\ell^2. However, assume there is a bound x_n\leq K/n for all n. Look at the element with n=(K+1)^2:
x_{(K+1)^2}=1/(K+1)=(K+1)/(K+1)^2&gt;K/(K+1)^2. Thus, K cannot have been a bound. Since K is arbitrary, no such K can exist, and we have found a counterexample!

Thanks for the input guys!
 

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