Does Convergence of x_n to L Imply Convergence of ln(x_n) to ln(L)?

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The discussion centers around the convergence of a sequence \( (x_n) \) where \( x_n > 0 \) for all \( n \) and \( \lim_{n\to\infty} x_n = L > 0 \). Participants are exploring whether this implies that \( \ln(x_n) \) converges to \( \ln(L) \) as \( n \) approaches infinity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants attempt to apply the continuity of the logarithm function to establish the convergence of \( \ln(x_n) \) to \( \ln(L) \). Others question whether the continuity of the logarithm can be assumed without proof. There are references to epsilon-delta arguments and the sequential definition of continuity.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the continuity of the logarithm and its implications for the problem. Some have expressed that the reasoning presented appears convincing, while others seek clarification on the assumptions made regarding continuity.

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Participants note the importance of the condition \( L > 0 \) in their arguments. There is also mention of the need to establish continuity before applying it to the problem at hand.

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Homework Statement


Given a sequence (x_n), x_n > 0 for every n\in\mathbb{N} and \lim\limits_{n\to\infty} x_n = L > 0, show that \ln x_n\to \ln L when n\to\infty.

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As logarithm function is an elementary function, meaning it is continuous in its domain D:= (0,\infty) then we have that:
\forall\varepsilon >0, \exists\delta >0:\forall x\in D\left ( 0<|x-L|<\delta\Rightarrow |\ln x - \ln L|<\varepsilon\right )
Provided that x_n \to L, then there exists N\in\mathbb{N} such that:
n\geq N\Rightarrow |x_n-L|<\delta, from which it follows that:
(n\geq N\Rightarrow |\ln x_n -\ln L|<\varepsilon) \Leftrightarrow \lim\limits_{n\to\infty} \ln x_n =\ln L

I googled this problem, but I couldn't find an epsilon-delta argument, so I gave it a go. Is this convincing?
 
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nuuskur said:

Homework Statement


Given a sequence (x_n), x_n > 0 for every n\in\mathbb{N} and \lim\limits_{n\to\infty} x_n = L, show that \ln x_n\to \ln L when n\to\infty.

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The Attempt at a Solution


As logarithm function is an elementary function, meaning it is continuous in its domain D:= (0,\infty) then we have that:
\forall\varepsilon >0, \exists\delta >0:\forall x\left ( 0<|x-L|<\delta\Rightarrow |\ln x - \ln L|<\varepsilon\right )
Provided that x_n \to L, then there exists N\in\mathbb{N} such that:
n\geq N\Rightarrow |x_n-L|<\delta, from which it follows that:
(n\geq N\Rightarrow |\ln x_n -\ln L|<\varepsilon) \Leftrightarrow \lim\limits_{n\to\infty} \ln x_n =\ln L

I googled this problem, but I couldn't find an epsilon-delta argument, so I gave it a go. Is this convincing?

Are you allowed to use the fact (as you have done) that ##\ln x## is continuous for ##x > 0##, or are you essentially required to prove that first?
 
Define f:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R} as f(x) = a^x, a >0. We claim that f(x) is continuous in \mathbb{R}.
Fix z\in\mathbb{R}. If x\to z, then x-z\to 0 and \lim\limits_{x\to z} a^{x-z} = 1 from which:
\lim\limits_{x\to z}a^x = \lim\limits_{x\to z} a^za^{x-z} = a^z\lim\limits_{x\to z}a^{x-z} = a^z.
We have established that f is continuous in (-\infty ,\infty)

Bolzano-Cauchy theorem: Let f be continuous in D\subseteq\mathbb{R}. If y_1, y_2 are two different values of the function, then every y between y_1 and y_2 is also a value of the function.
Therefore the set of values of the function f that is continuous in some interval, is also an interval.

We have a function f: (-\infty, \infty)\to (0,\infty ), which is continous. Its inverse (implies it is invertible - bijection, which it is if a>1 or a<1) is defined to be the logarithm function: f^{-1}: (0, \infty)\to (-\infty,\infty).
f^{-1}: = \log _a (x) is also continuous (f is strictly monotone for a\neq 1, its inverse is also strictly monotone.)
 
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Google 'sequential definition of continuity'.
 
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geoffrey159 said:
Google 'sequential definition of continuity'.
English -.- We call the same thing as "Heine's criterion for continuity"
 
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nuuskur said:
As logarithm function is an elementary function, meaning it is continuous in its domain D:= (0,\infty) then we have that:
\forall\varepsilon >0, \exists\delta >0:\forall x\left ( 0<|x-L|<\delta\Rightarrow |\ln x - \ln L|<\varepsilon\right )
Provided that x_n \to L, then there exists N\in\mathbb{N} such that:
n\geq N\Rightarrow |x_n-L|<\delta, from which it follows that:
(n\geq N\Rightarrow |\ln x_n -\ln L|<\varepsilon) \Leftrightarrow \lim\limits_{n\to\infty} \ln x_n =\ln L

I googled this problem, but I couldn't find an epsilon-delta argument, so I gave it a go. Is this convincing?

And yes your proof looks OK to me except that you must mention that ##L>0## and also here

\forall\varepsilon >0, \exists\delta >0:\forall x\in D ...
 

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