If $x^{3/2}+y^{3/2}=r^{3/2}$, then $u=r$ and $v=r-x$.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around transforming a double integral over a region defined by the inequality $x^{\frac{3}{2}}+y^{\frac{3}{2}} \leq \alpha^{\frac{3}{2}}$ in the first quadrant of the $xy$-plane into an integral over a triangular region in the $uv$-plane. Participants explore potential variable substitutions and the geometric implications of these transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests defining $u=\left (x^{\frac{3}{2}}+y^{\frac{3}{2}}\right )^{\frac{2}{3}}$ and questions how to define $v$.
  • Another participant proposes that $v$ could be an angle, but expresses uncertainty about this approach leading to the desired upper bound.
  • Several participants discuss the shape of the region defined by the inequality and consider how to transform it into a triangle.
  • There is a suggestion to define $u=x$ and find a corresponding $v$ to make the curve a straight line, with some questioning whether this line should pass through specific points.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between $u$ and $v$, with one proposing $v=-u+2$ as a potential relationship, while others note this holds only on one bounding curve.
  • There is a consideration of the bounding lines for the triangle in the $uv$-plane, specifically $v=-x+a$, $u=0$, and $v=0$.
  • One participant raises a question about determining $u$ and $v$ in terms of $x$ and $y$ for points inside the region defined by $D$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas about the transformations and relationships between variables, but there is no consensus on the best approach or the definitions of $u$ and $v$. Multiple competing views remain regarding the transformations and the geometric interpretation of the region.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the transformations and the specific definitions of the variables. The discussion includes uncertainty about the geometric properties of the region and how to effectively represent it in the $uv$-plane.

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Hey! :o

Let $D$ be the space in the first quadrant of the $xy$-plane that is defined by the inequality $x^{\frac{3}{2}}+y^{\frac{3}{2}} \leq \alpha^{\frac{3}{2}}$ with $\alpha>0$. I want to transform $\iint_D f(x,y) dx dy$ to an integral on the triangle $E$ of the $uv$-plane that is defined by the inequalities $0 \leq u \leq \alpha$ and $0 \leq v \leq \alpha-u$.
Which new variables do we define here? (Wondering) Do we maybe define the following variables?
$$u=\left (x^{\frac{3}{2}}+y^{\frac{3}{2}}\right )^{\frac{2}{3}}$$ Then we would get $0\leq \left (x^{\frac{3}{2}}+y^{\frac{3}{2}}\right )^{\frac{2}{3}}\leq \left (a^{\frac{3}{2}}\right )^{\frac{2}{3}} \Rightarrow 0\leq u\leq a$.

But what about $v$ ? (Wondering)
 
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Hi mathmari! (Smile)

What does the region look like?
Can we draw it?
Perhaps we can see then how best to transform it into a triangle. (Thinking)

You current idea for u corresponds more or less with a polar length, which would suggest that v could be an angle. That may not be the most natural fit though, and seems unlikely to lead to an upper bound of $\alpha -u$. (Nerd)
 
I like Serena said:
What does the region look like?
Can we draw it?
Perhaps we can see then how best to transform it into a triangle. (Thinking)

The region is in the following form:

[DESMOS=-5,5,-5,5]x^{\frac{3}{2}}+y^{\frac{3}{2}}\le a^{\frac{3}{2}};a=2[/DESMOS] Do we not have to change only the curve that goes through the points $(0,2)$ and $(2,0)$ to get a triangle? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
The region is in the following form:

Do we not have to change only the curve that goes through the points $(0,2)$ and $(2,0)$ to get a triangle?

Indeed. Hmmm, could we for instance define $u=x$, and try to find a $v$ such that the curve becomes a straight line? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Indeed. Hmmm, could we for instance define $u=x$, and try to find a $v$ such that the curve becomes a straight line? (Wondering)

Does the curve has to become a straight line that passes through the points $(2,0)$ and $(0,2)$ ? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Does the curve has to become a straight line that passes through the points $(2,0)$ and $(0,2)$?
That is what I would propose we try.
But there is no 'have to' to it.
 
I like Serena said:
That is what I would propose we try.
But there is no 'have to' to it.

So, does it holds that $v=-u+2$ ? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
So, does it holds that $v=-u+2$ ? (Wondering)
That only holds on 1 of the 3 bounding curves (assuming we have $\alpha=2$).
But we can start with that bounding curve, and then try to generalize. (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
That only holds on 1 of the 3 bounding curves (assuming we have $\alpha=2$).
But we can start with that bounding curve, and then try to generalize. (Thinking)

Will the triangle be bounded by the lines $v=-x+a$, $u=0$, $v=0$ ? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Will the triangle be bounded by the lines $v=-x+a$, $u=0$, $v=0$ ? (Wondering)

Yes.
Now suppose we have a point (x,y) inside D with, say, an $r$ such that $x^{3/2}+y^{3/2}=r^{3/2}$ and $0\le r \le \alpha$,
What would $u$ and $v$ be then in terms of $x$ and $y$? (Wondering)
 

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