If X(t) is gaussian process, How about X(2t)?

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The discussion centers on the properties of Gaussian and Poisson processes, specifically examining whether transforming the time variable (e.g., from X(t) to X(2t)) affects the classification of the process. Participants explore the implications of scaling in stochastic processes and the linearity of functions related to these processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if X(t) is a Gaussian process, then X(2t) is also a Gaussian process, citing properties of linear transformations.
  • Others challenge the claim that X(2t) equals 2X(t), arguing that not all functions exhibit linearity and providing examples of non-linear functions.
  • A participant explains that a Gaussian process is defined as a collection of random variables, any finite number of which have a joint Gaussian distribution, suggesting that changing the variable does not alter this property.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the Poisson process, with a participant noting that the properties of Poisson processes are more time-dependent, making the transformation less straightforward.
  • There is a request for justification regarding the claim that functions of Gaussian processes are linear, with some participants expressing frustration over the lack of references provided.
  • One participant emphasizes that stating a process is Gaussian does not inherently define the relationship between X(t) and X(2t).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus. There are competing views on the implications of scaling time in Gaussian and Poisson processes, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the linearity of functions related to these processes.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on the definitions of Gaussian and Poisson processes, and the discussion highlights the need for clarity on how transformations affect these processes. The relationship between X(t) and X(2t) is particularly contested.

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written as title,

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If X(t) is gaussian process, then

Can I say that X(2t) is gaussian process?

of course, 2*X(t) is gaussian process

2. If X(t) is poisson process, then

X(2t) is also poisson process?
 
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In both cases you have a stochastic process where the element at a particular value of t has the specified distribution. Changing the scale factor doesn't affect that property.
 
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mathman said:
In both cases you have a stochastic process where the element at a particular value of t has the specified distribution. Changing the scale factor doesn't affect that property.

THANKS
 
Of course when ##X(t)## is gauss process, ##X(2t)## is also gauss because ##X(2t)=2X(t)## applied by ##f(\alpha x)=\alpha f(x)## .
 
Helolo said:
Of course when ##X(t)## is gauss process, ##X(2t)## is also gauss because ##X(2t)=2X(t)## applied by ##f(\alpha x)=\alpha f(x)## .
I don't know anything about Gaussian processes, but I doubt very much that X(2t) = 2X(t). For most functions, ##f(\alpha x) \neq \alpha f(x)##.
 
What do you mean?
 
Helolo said:
What do you mean?
What I mean is that, in general, functions aren't linear. Here are a few examples:
##\cos(2x) \neq 2\cos(x)##
##\sqrt{2x} \neq 2\sqrt{x}##
##\ln(2x) \neq 2\ln(x)##
##10^{2x} \neq 2\cdot 10^x##
etc.
 
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A Gaussian process, X(y), in variable y is just any process that is a normally distributed random variable for every value of y. It is not important the the variable y is time or not. If X(t) is a Gaussian process in time t, let y=2t, The process X(y) is a normally distributed random variable at y whose parameters, mean and variance are the same as X(t) where t=y/2 . So X(y), y=2t is also a Gaussian process. The Poisson process is similar, but not as simple. Since the Poison properties are very dependent on time t, changing to another variable y=2t is not so obvious. You should check if all the Poisson properties still apply with the new variable y.
 
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Mark44 said:
What I mean is that, in general, functions aren't linear. Here are a few examples:
##\cos(2x) \neq 2\cos(x)##
##\sqrt{2x} \neq 2\sqrt{x}##
##\ln(2x) \neq 2\ln(x)##
##10^{2x} \neq 2\cdot 10^x##
etc.
We are talking about Gauss process so the functions ##f## of it are linear
 
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Helolo said:
We are talking about Gauss process so the functions ##f## of it are linear
Please provide a link to justify this claim.
 
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Mark44 said:
Please provide a link to justify this claim.
You just search on google, ok I am done here. The end of reply
 
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Helolo said:
You just search on google, ok I am done here. The end of reply
You made the claim - it's up to you to justify it.
 
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Helolo said:
Of course when ##X(t)## is gauss process, ##X(2t)## is also gauss because ##X(2t)=2X(t)## applied by ##f(\alpha x)=\alpha f(x)## .
That is not right. Saying a process is Gaussian doesn't say anything about the relationship between X(t) and X(2t).
 

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