If you could travel faster than light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the hypothetical scenario of traveling faster than the speed of light (FTL) and explores the potential experiences and implications of such travel. Participants engage with concepts from special and general relativity, addressing the speculative nature of FTL travel and its associated challenges.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if an object could travel faster than light, it might enter a void where nothing else exists, leading to questions about whether the experience would be one of something or nothing.
  • Others argue that FTL travel raises significant issues, such as causality violations, and that discussions typically focus on what an FTL object would appear like from a non-FTL perspective.
  • A participant mentions various proposed mechanisms for FTL travel, suggesting that the experience would depend on the specific theory employed, such as the Alcubierre drive.
  • One participant rephrases the original question to focus on the existence of FTL frames of reference in special relativity and the implications of such frames, referencing a no-go theorem that states FTL frames do not exist in our universe's dimensional structure.
  • Another participant notes that while distant galaxies can recede from us at speeds greater than light due to cosmic expansion, this does not grant special properties to our frame of reference or lead to extraordinary visual experiences.
  • A younger participant shares their limited background in relativity and expresses curiosity about the implications of achieving FTL speeds, indicating a desire for further clarification and feedback.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of speculative ideas regarding FTL travel, with no consensus reached on the implications or experiences associated with such travel. The discussion remains unresolved, with competing views on the nature of FTL frames and the consequences of traveling faster than light.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to specific theories and concepts from relativity, but limitations arise from the speculative nature of the topic and the varying levels of understanding among participants. Some assumptions and definitions remain unaddressed, contributing to the complexity of the discussion.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals curious about theoretical physics, particularly those exploring concepts of relativity and the implications of faster-than-light travel.

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Supposing that you could travel faster than the speed of light, what would you see, feel, or experience? Since an object travels slower in time as it approaches light speed, wouldn't the object, if it did travel faster than light, enter into a complete and absolute void because nothing else in the universe traveled faster than light. I was wondering if the object would just be surrounded by a blank white canvas with no way to escape. To simplify it, would there be something or nothing?
 
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Hi shadow15; welcome to PF -
You do realize that this sort of topic is highly speculative right? Pure speculation is not something we do here. But I don't want to just dis your first post, that would be mean ;)

You should realize that there are all sorts of problems with FTL travel ... causality violation being one important one. When we consider it we are usually thinking in terms of what an FTL object would look like to us since we do not travel FTL ourselves.

overview from special relativity:
http://www.physicsguy.com/ftl/html/FTL_part4.html
tachyon physics
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1992AuJPh..45..591D

Several mechanisms have been proposed to overcome the various difficulties.
Which mechanism is employed will determine what the experience of the trip is like.

eg. in the Alcubierre drive ship you'd look out your window and see the Alcubierre space-time. In general you'd see and feel whatever the geometry of the space-time bubble you were in let you. Pick your theory.

That's the problem with this speculation - if you went FTL by going through a magic portal to fairy land then you'd see fairies. (Something which has been done in science fiction incedentally...)
 
Welcome to PF, shadow15!

Please tell us a little about the level of your knowledge of relativity so that we know what level to reply at. What book or books have you read on the topic? If the answer is none, you might want to start out by reading at least the first half of Takeuchi, An Illustrated Guide to Relativity.

Using terms that physicists understand, and on whose definitions we agree, I would rephrase your question as follows: (1) In special relativity, do FTL frames of reference exist (or more precisely, can one frame be moving relative to another at greater than c), and (2) if so, what would we experience if we were in one?

We live in a universe with three spatial dimensions and one timelike dimension, which is referred to by the shorthand 3+1. In 3+1 dimensions, there is a no-go theorem developed in this paper by Vieira
http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.4187
that says that FTL frames don't exist. (They can exist in 1+1 or 3+3 dimensions.) This is independent of any other considerations such as the existence or nonexistence of tachyons. The only assumptions are the basic assumptions of special relativity (which actually do not forbid the existence of tachyons or demand that causality not be violated).

Simon Bridge said:
eg. in the Alcubierre drive ship you'd look out your window and see the Alcubierre space-time. In general you'd see and feel whatever the geometry of the space-time bubble you were in let you. Pick your theory.
Maybe a simpler way of looking at it is this. General relativity becomes special relativity locally. Therefore if you look out the window what you see locally is simply whatever matter is around you locally -- and that matter is moving relative to you at *less* than c.

Similarly, we can say that due to cosmological expansion, distant galaxies are receding from us at velocities greater than c, so in that sense, we're FTL relative to them. This is no big deal and doesn't imbue our own frame with any special properties or cause us to see mystical trippy stuff.

Another way of putting it is that GR doesn't have global frames of reference, so you can't unambiguously even answer the question of whether distant objects are FTL relative to you. And when you restrict to local observations, GR becomes SR. So the OP's question is really an SR question, and trying to expand it to a GR question is vacuous.
 
Thanks for the reply bcrowell!

To answer your question, I have only really read one major book on GR and SR by Einstein himself, called Relativity: The Special and the General Theory. In addition to this I have also gathered information off the internet concerning topics in the book I couldn't seem to grasp. Though my comprehension in the field is limited considering my age, 14, and my resources, I just was curious to what would happen once a speed FTL was achieved. I know the basics of special and general relativity, but since my parents' knowledge lie in other fields, I saw the forums as a perfect oppurtunity to get some feedback on some of my questions. Thanks for the advice and links.
 
shadow15 said:
To answer your question, I have only really read one major book on GR and SR by Einstein himself, called Relativity: The Special and the General Theory.

OK, that's actually a pretty good intro to relativity, although of course the book is too old to have any discussion of fun GR topics like the big bang or black holes.

I don't know if the answers from Simon Bridge and me have been helpful. Let us know if you have more questions.
 

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