rachmaninoff said:You mean, if I strongly suspect them to be suicidal? I certainly wouldn't given them their gun then, for obvious reasons. The fact that he/she owns it really makes no difference. And how is this relevant to this discussion about assisted suicide? There is no comparison between terminally ill people with painful, degnerative disease, and otherwise healthy, clinically depressed suicidal people. Idiotic comparison, really.
my bad, you're right about that. I thought this was about clinically depressed suicidal people.
Here's my life experiance:
My grandmother had congestive heart failure among other things, and was in and out of the hostipal for a long time. She was on life support for about a week when my grandpa (with support from the family) decided that she can't live like that so he asked to pull the plug. I was in a wierd mental state during all of this, kind of like overpowered by the weight of the situation to the point where I just didn't know how to react. I was beside myself, and I don't think I would've ever been able to make the decision to take her off life support or not. I want to say that it was the right choice because she wasn't totally responding to other people and she was relying on life support so it didn't seem like she was going to pull through. So I would say that it's okay to pull the plug for cases where the person in question can't even really respond to the other people and outside world, and can't live without life support.
As far as terminally ill patients in a state of constant physical pain who can respond to other people and voice their desire to die, I can see it both ways and I would rather not decide. This is a very diffacult delima. If I had to make a desicion, I would sympathize with the patient, because that person knows how much physical pain they feel and not thier friends and family. It's kind of rude to say "buck up and deal with the pain, we want you around regardless of what you think". Then again, I'm a very sensitive person, which makes me look very insensitive at times.
As far as clinically depressed people, I would say heck no!
Oh yeah, as far as the main question at hand... I would say that my answers to the situations above is how I would vote, and they are alligned with my morals. I would want everyone to react to me the way I would react to the above situations. If I said I wanted to die because I was terminally ill and in constant physical pain, I would mean it, but I would try my darndest to deal with it as long as I could until I reached that point. Something in me says that I will never say something like that though no matter what happens, but then again, I've never felt anywhere near the kind of pain that it would take, and it's not just the ammount of it, but also if there is no hope of ever relieving it. That would be the deciding factor for me, I'd deal with it for as long as I could, but I dont' know if I'd ever make the choice to die. This would also apply to mental pain and anguish over the loss of a part of my body or paralysis, but it wouldn't be as bad in that case for me, because I would still have hope (with stem cells and prosthetics) to overcome the mental part, but if I had no way of zoning out physical pain (even with drugs), thats a different story and I can't say what I would choose, but I would like my choice to be respected in that case.
If I were clinically depressed and suicidal, then I wouldn't want others to respect my choice to die. I've been depressed before and it sucks, and I've had suicidal thoughts, but they were never serious and they were only for the reason to making the people I know feel sorry for me (how rude I was to think that!!! How even more rude I would be to do that). Most people who are suicidal just don't believe they will ever feel better, but they will at some point, garunteed (I believe).
If I was in the situation my grandma was in, I'd want the same thing done to me that was done to her. She put up a good fight, but things just wouldn't have gotten better for her if she stayed on life support.
I got the feeling that I'm wasting my time writing all of this. I don't think I'm providing good conversation about what you really want to talk about.
I just don't think that when a person votes for their personal morals (which are freely chosen), that they contradict thier own freedom. I don't really get the connection there. Why would you not be free when you vote? Why would you vote for something that contradicts your freedom?