I'm inventing my own physics problem for extra credit thermodynamics and fluids

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The discussion focuses on creating a physics problem involving thermodynamics and fluid dynamics, specifically regarding a man falling into a tank of water at 40 degrees Celsius. Key equations mentioned include the conversion of Fahrenheit to Celsius (Tc = (5/9)*(Tf-32)), heat transfer equations (Q=mL and Q=mCdeltaT), and considerations of hypothermia. The consensus is that ten minutes in 40 degrees Celsius water is unlikely to be fatal, but a detailed model of heat loss is necessary for a solvable problem.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of thermodynamics principles, particularly heat transfer.
  • Familiarity with the concepts of hypothermia and body temperature regulation.
  • Knowledge of the equations for heat transfer (Q=mL and Q=mCdeltaT).
  • Ability to convert temperature units between Fahrenheit and Celsius.
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  • Research conductive heat transfer and its application in physiological contexts.
  • Learn about the physiological effects of hypothermia and temperature thresholds for survival.
  • Explore the latent heat of vaporization of water and its relevance in thermoregulation.
  • Investigate the metabolic heat generation rate in humans and its implications for heat loss calculations.
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This discussion is beneficial for physics educators, students studying thermodynamics, and anyone interested in the physiological aspects of heat transfer and survival in extreme conditions.

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1. A man falls into a tank at 40 degrees C. His body temperature is 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit. I want to ask if the man will freeze to death, but I don't know at what temperature that happens. Can I ask them to figure out what his final body temperature is, if say he doesn't get rescued in 10 mins? Do I need to provide more information? I can always go off in a completely different direction...



2. Tc = (5/9)*(Tf-32)
Q=mL
Q=mCdeltaT




3. I'm looking for advise about how to write a problem!
 
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ginale said:
1. A man falls into a tank at 40 degrees C. His body temperature is 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit. I want to ask if the man will freeze to death, but I don't know at what temperature that happens. Can I ask them to figure out what his final body temperature is, if say he doesn't get rescued in 10 mins? Do I need to provide more information? I can always go off in a completely different direction...



2. Tc = (5/9)*(Tf-32)
Q=mL
Q=mCdeltaT




3. I'm looking for advise about how to write a problem!

First off, do you mean the tank of water is 40º Fahrenheit? Water at 40º C (104º F) would be mighty uncomfortable, but you won't freeze to death in it...

In any case, hypothermia is a rather complicated physiological condition. People have been recovered with body core temperatures that had fallen below 65º F and been revived successfully. Likewise, the time of fatal exposure to near-freezing water varies pretty widely. But I'd say that ten minutes is rarely lethal, though half an hour generally is.

The difficulty in introducing time into your problem is that you need to include information about the rate at which heat is being lost from the person's body. Has your physics course covered problems in conductive heat transfer at all? The thermal equation you've given would need to be differentiated implicitly with respect to time to create a rate equation relevant to your problem. Have students in the course done problems like that before? You would have to provide at least a crude model of how heat would be lost from the body in those circumstances to give the problem enough of a "closed form" for students to solve it.

A related sort of problem would be to have students solve for the rate at which heat is removed from the body by perspiration. You'd need estimates for the surface area of the body (assuming perspiration is uniform over the surface -- which it isn't, really), a rate at which water is leaving the pores everywhere, and the latent heat of vaporization of water at skin temperature (around 85º F -- you could google up a table for such data, I believe).

You could even extend the problem to estimate how fast heat is also being removed by breathing, using the rate at which air at body core temperature (pretty much 98.6 F) is warmed and expelled; you could also include the water vapor content in the breath, which is probably picking up most of the heat. The results could be compared with the average rate at which metabolism generates heat in the body (around 100 W -- have them find this too!). The calculations still require certain assumptions, but I think it's a bit more tractable than trying to model the whole body. Just a suggestion...
 
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