I'm looking for examples of integration that use this method

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The discussion revolves around integration techniques in calculus, specifically focusing on a method that involves finding the derivative of a function. Participants explore the nuances of this method, which some refer to as the product rule or reverse chain rule, and seek examples that utilize this approach. The scope includes conceptual understanding and practical application of integration methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a method for integrating sin(4x) by finding the derivative of the inner function and adjusting with a factor of 1/4, expressing a desire for more complex examples using this technique.
  • Another participant suggests using integration by parts to derive the Taylor series for a function, indicating an alternative approach.
  • A participant points out a confusion between integration techniques, clarifying that integration by parts is related to the product rule and integration by substitution is related to the chain rule.
  • One participant reiterates the integration example and expresses frustration that many resources focus on u-substitution or integration by parts instead of the method they prefer.
  • A later reply suggests that the intuitive understanding of u-substitution develops with practice and encourages learning both methods for better comprehension.

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Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the terminology and classification of the integration method being discussed. Some participants assert that the method described is a form of u-substitution, while others maintain their perspective on it being a distinct technique. No consensus is reached on the preferred method or the terminology used.

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There is a lack of clarity regarding the definitions and distinctions between integration techniques, which may lead to confusion among participants. Some assumptions about the familiarity with these methods may also be present.

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My professor is teaching us to use integration by finding the derivative of a function. I think he calls this technique the product rule or reverse chain rule.

For example, integrate sin(4x) dx. I find the derivative of the inner function which is 4 and I even it out by multiplying the whole package by 1/4. The integral of sin is -cos so it's -1/4cos4x.

This is a very simple example and I'm looking for websites that show much harder examples that use this technique. The problem is that most calculus tutorial sites seem to use u-subs or integration by parts to show how to do the more complicated examples.
 
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not sure what you want here. Why not try using integraption by parts to derive the Taylor series for a function.
 
Ryuk1990 said:
My professor is teaching us to use integration by finding the derivative of a function. I think he calls this technique the product rule or reverse chain rule.
You are confusing two different techiques here. Integration by parts is the reverse of the product rule in differentiation. Integration by substitution is the reverse of the chain rule in differentiation.
Ryuk1990 said:
For example, integrate sin(4x) dx. I find the derivative of the inner function which is 4 and I even it out by multiplying the whole package by 1/4. The integral of sin is -cos so it's -1/4cos4x.

This is a very simple example and I'm looking for websites that show much harder examples that use this technique. The problem is that most calculus tutorial sites seem to use u-subs or integration by parts to show how to do the more complicated examples.
Your calculus textbook should have numerous examples of ordinary substitution (what you are calling u-sub).
 
Ryuk1990 said:
My professor is teaching us to use integration by finding the derivative of a function. I think he calls this technique the product rule or reverse chain rule.

For example, integrate sin(4x) dx. I find the derivative of the inner function which is 4 and I even it out by multiplying the whole package by 1/4. The integral of sin is -cos so it's -1/4cos4x.

This is a very simple example and I'm looking for websites that show much harder examples that use this technique. The problem is that most calculus tutorial sites seem to use u-subs or integration by parts to show how to do the more complicated examples.

What you are describing IS a u-substitution.

sin(4x)dx

let u=4x which means du = 4dx => 1/4du = dx
 
Ah well I suppose it's the notation of the u-subbing that confuses me. I like the intuitive shortcut of the method which is what my teacher shows us.
 
Thats something most people can develop after doing LOTS of u-substitution problems. I know I did. After a while you just see it and your u-substituting becomes an 'intuitive shortcut method'. If you want to understand it, learn both ways.
 

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