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The discussion revolves around the analysis of a system of differential equations, specifically focusing on finding the stable and unstable manifolds near a rest point. Participants explore qualitative approaches, parameterizations, and the implications of linearization within the context of dynamical systems.

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  • One participant introduces the system of differential equations and seeks guidance on computing the stable and unstable manifolds.
  • Another participant suggests starting with a qualitative approach and emphasizes the importance of identifying the rest point.
  • A participant calculates the rest point as (1,0) and discusses the linearization of the system, noting the dimension of the stable manifold.
  • There is a suggestion to parameterize the stable manifold as a function of x, but uncertainty remains about the next steps.
  • One participant questions the method of solving the system, indicating confusion about whether to set the equations to zero or to work with them as they are.
  • A later reply provides a detailed breakdown of the equations, attempting to derive expressions for y and x, but does not reach a conclusive solution.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to solving the system, indicating that there is no consensus on the method to compute the stable and unstable manifolds. Multiple competing views on how to proceed remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of how to parameterize the equations and the assumptions involved in their approaches. The discussion reflects an ongoing exploration of the mathematical steps required to analyze the system.

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Consider the system of differential equations

$$x' = 2x - e^y (2+y),$$ $$y' = -y.$$

Find the stable and unstable manifolds near the rest point.

I know that the stable manifold $W^s$ is a immersed surface in $\mathbb{R}^2$ with tangent space $E^s$ (the stable linear subspace). How can I compute the stable and unstable manifolds? I can't find decent instructions anywhere. Thanks.
 
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Fantini said:
Consider the system of differential equations

$$x' = 2x - e^y (2+y),$$ $$y' = -y.$$

Find the stable and unstable manifolds near the rest point.

I know that the stable manifold $W^s$ is a immersed surface in $\mathbb{R}^2$ with tangent space $E^s$ (the stable linear subspace). How can I compute the stable and unstable manifolds? I can't find decent instructions anywhere. Thanks.

Let's start with a qualitative approach to the system of differential equations.
The vector plot looks like this.
(Just learned how to make vector plots with W|A. ;))

You're looking for a curve through the rest point such that its tangent satisfies the equations at all points (or is a multiple thereof).

So what is the rest point?
Can you solve the system and find a curve that includes the rest point?
 
The rest point is found by solving simultaneously the equations. We find that $y=0$ and then $2x - 2 = 0$ or $x=1$. Therefore the rest point is $(1,0)$.

We also know that the linearization of the system is $$\begin{bmatrix} 2 & 0 \\ 0 & -1 \end{bmatrix}.$$ I believe we can conclude that the stable manifold has dimension one (it is a curve).

I've seen in some places that we assume that $y$ can be parametrized as a function of $x$ to get this curve, or $y = \phi (x)$. But then what?
 
Good. :)

Fantini said:
I've seen in some places that we assume that $y$ can be parametrized as a function of $x$ to get this curve, or $y = \phi (x)$. But then what?

So... can you solve the system and write it as $y = \phi (x)$?
After that we'll see...
 
What do you mean by solve the system? By setting each equation to zero or as they are? In the latter I don't think such is possible. This is why I read that we assume it can be written and work from there. :confused:
 
Fantini said:
$$\begin{array}{ll}x' = 2x - e^y (2+y) & \qquad (1) \\
y' = -y & \qquad (2) \end{array}$$

Find the stable and unstable manifolds near the rest point.

I know that the stable manifold $W^s$ is a immersed surface in $\mathbb{R}^2$ with tangent space $E^s$ (the stable linear subspace). How can I compute the stable and unstable manifolds? I can't find decent instructions anywhere. Thanks.

Fantini said:
What do you mean by solve the system? By setting each equation to zero or as they are? In the latter I don't think such is possible. This is why I read that we assume it can be written and work from there. :confused:

Let's see...
For example:
$$\begin{array}{lcll}
y' &=& -y & \qquad \text{starting from (2)}\\
\frac{y'}{y} &=& -1 \\
\ln y &=& -t + C \\
y &=& c_2 e^{-t} & \qquad (3)\\
t &=& -\ln(y/c_2) & \qquad (4)\\
\\
x' &=& 2x - e^y (2+y) & \qquad \text{continuing from (1)} \\
x' &=& 2x - e^{c_2 e^{-t}}(2+c_2 e^{-t}) & \qquad \text{substituting (3)}\\
\dots \\
x &=& c_1 e^{2t} + e^{c_2 e^{-t}} & \qquad (5)\\
x &=& c_1 e^{2 \cdot -\ln(y/c_2)} + e^y & \qquad \text{substituting (3) and (4)}\\
\dots
\end{array}
$$
 
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