Image Charges Purcell Discussion

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The discussion revolves around the concept of image charges as presented in Purcell's electromagnetism textbook, specifically addressing the scenario of a charge above a conducting plane held at zero potential. Participants explore the implications of the electric field, charge distribution, and boundary conditions in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of using the electric field expression derived from the image charge scenario to represent only the contribution from the conducting plane.
  • Another participant explains that the image charge is a heuristic tool for solving Maxwell's equations under specific boundary conditions and that the charges in the conducting plane rearrange due to the external charge.
  • A participant expresses concern about the justification for the total charge on the plane being -Q, arguing that it should balance with a compensating positive charge to maintain zero net charge at infinity.
  • One participant challenges Purcell's reasoning that the electric field below the plane must be zero, suggesting that the analogy to a larger conducting sphere introduces different boundary conditions that complicate the argument.
  • Another participant proposes that maintaining the plane at zero potential may require it to be connected to an external source, allowing charge to flow in response to the nearby positive charge.
  • A later reply asserts that the solution to the boundary-value problem is unique, implying that the established approach is correct.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of charge distribution and boundary conditions, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the assumptions regarding charge distribution and the implications of boundary conditions, particularly in relation to the infinite plane and the image charge method.

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Hi everyone, I have a question (or three) regarding Purcell's discussion of image charges, in pg 137-139 of the third edition of his EM book. He goes over the classic image charge example: a plane held at zero potential, and a charge Q a distance h above it.
I'm fine with everything he says, up until the following: "returning to the actual setup with the conducting plane, we know that in terms of the surface charge density \sigma, the electric field just above the plane is E_z = \sigma / \epsilon_0." My problem with this is that he then proceeds to plug in the expression for E_z that he had determined from the image charges situation. But this E_z corresponds to the electric field due to the whole system, charge Q included. So why would E_z correspond to just the contribution from the plane, \sigma / \epsilon_0?

That's my first question. My second question stems from the following; having found the charge distribution on the plane, he integrates through the whole plane to find that the total charge on it is -Q, and explains that even if the plane initially had zero charge, this makes sense. The justification he gives is that a compensating positive charge Q is spread over the whole plane, but that its contribution to the electric field E_z is negligible (since the charge density will be zero in the infinite plane). I have the following problem with this argument:
It seems like the charge distribution \sigma should somehow be balanced by the positive charge, so that it integrates to zero at infinity. Otherwise, it's not the actual (real, physical) charge distribution! (Since the plane had zero charge to begin with.) It's just the approximate distribution that we find at points near the origin of the plane (below the charge Q.) Then I have an extra bonus question :)
Purcell argues that the field below the plane must be zero, because "we can consider the conducting plane to be the top of a very large conducting sphere, and we know that the field inside a conductor is zero." But I have a huge problem with this. If we consider the plane to be that (the top of a sphere), then we have different boundary conditions from before! So it becomes a little sketchy, in my opinion, to use this argument, and combine it with the image charges he used (which definitely don't satisfy the boundary conditions of zero potential along the whole "big sphere" that Purcell is imagining; it just had zero potential along the infinite plane). How is this justified? Can anybody give another argument why the field below the plane must be zero? As you can probably tell, I had a lot of trouble following this discussion. Any help would be appreciated!
 
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The point is to solve Maxwell's equations with the appropriate boundary conditions. The image charge is just a heuristic argument to find that solution. It is not really present. Physically what happens putting the charge ##q## at ##(0,0,h)## is that the charges in the metal plane rearrange due to the force acting on them due to the charge ##q##. In the static situation they must arrange themselves such that the total force on them is 0.

It's clear that the field is ##0## for ##z<0## since this for sure fulfills the boundary conditions. For ##z>0## we get the field by superposition of the Coulomb field of the external charge at ##(0,0,h)## and that of the influence charge on the plane. Now we get the correct field for ##z>0## by symmetry introducing the fictitious image charge, i.e., the electrostatic potential is (in Heaviside-Lorentz units)
$$\phi(\vec{x})=\begin{cases}
0 & \text{for} \quad z<0,\\
\frac{q}{4 \pi} \left (\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2+(z-h)^2}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2+(z+h)^2}} \right) & \text{for} \quad z>0.
\end{cases}$$
the influence-charge distribution on the plane is given by the normal component of the electric field, ##\vec{E}=-\vec{\nabla} \phi##, and Maxwell's equation, ##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=4 \pi \rho## tells you that it's the total electric field at this plane!). Indeed at the plane (at ##z=0^+##) the field is
$$\vec{E}(x,y,0^+)=-\frac{h q}{2 \pi (x^2+y^2+h^2)^{3/2}} \vec{e}_z=\sigma \vec{e}_z.$$
The total influence charge is given by Gauss's theorem without further calculation. Just take a large cube with one boundary on the ##xy## plane and then taking the limit of an infinitely large cube. All the boundaries except the one on the ##xy## plane are at infinity then, and the field vanishes there. So you really only integrate the surface-charge density over the entire ##xy## plane. For the volume integral we note that the field effectively integrated over is again given by the field of the external charge and the virtual image charge. Only the image charge is inside the infinitely large cube and, thus the integral must be ##-q##.

You can get this of course also by integrating the surface-charge density, using polar coordinates
$$Q_{\text{surface}}=\int_0^{\infty} \mathrm{d} \rho \int_0^{2 \pi} \mathrm{d} \varphi \rho \sigma(\rho)=-\int_0^{\infty} \mathrm{d} \rho \frac{h q \rho}{(\rho^2+h^2)^{3/2}} = \left. \frac{h q}{\sqrt{\rho^2+h^2}} \right|_{\rho=0}^{\infty} = -q.$$
 
Thanks for your answer! To answer my first question, I see that you can just use a Gaussian surface around the plane and the charge distribution is easily found in terms of the electric field.
Unfortunately I understood most of the other parts of the argument already (it's similar to what Purcell said)- my other main questions, 2 and 3, still stand. Do you have any input on those?
 
Now that I think about it, I have an idea of what might be going on, though I'm not sure.
My problem was this: if we have the plane at zero potential, and zero charge, and bring the positive charge near the plane, it shouldn't mean that somehow now the plane has acquired a negative charge, and usually, this doesn't happen. However, if we impose that the plane remain at zero potential throughout this whole process, maybe that implies that we have to keep it connected to an outside source (to keep it grounded); if this is the case, then maybe positive charge could leak out of the plane (or negative charge leak in, equivalently) as we bring the positive point charge closer to the plane. Maybe this is the reason the plane supposedly has charge -Q on it after this whole process.
 
In my opinion I answered all your questions already. The given solution is unique since the boundary-value problem of the Poisson equation is unique.
 

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