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The discussion revolves around understanding binary operators, specifically in the context of a mathematical expression involving composite functions. Participants seek clarification on notation and definitions while attempting to refresh their knowledge after a significant gap.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding a specific binary operator and requests a refresher on the topic after a long absence from the material.
  • Another participant clarifies the difference between function applications in prefix notation and operators in infix notation.
  • There is a discussion about the format of expressions and the meaning of variables a and b in the context of a given equation.
  • Some participants propose that the binary operator in question is addition or a specific notation (e.g., $\oplus$), while others suggest it could be represented as a smiley face operator.
  • One participant questions the relationship between the defined functions and the calculations being performed, leading to a breakdown of the composite function.
  • A later reply confirms the calculations for the composite function, but there is still uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of the operators involved.

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Participants generally agree on the calculations related to the composite function but express differing views on the definitions and roles of the binary operators. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of notation and the implications of the definitions provided.

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Some participants note that the terminology and notation used in the discussion were not covered in their textbooks, indicating potential gaps in foundational understanding or differences in educational materials.

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ok i tried to find the ?? binary operater on this but couldn't find on the given list of formats. also still need a primer on these since the last time i did a few of these was 6 years ago! don't think its a hard problem just need to refresh the basics
 
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karush said:
i tried to find the ?? binary operater on this
I am not sure what you mean by ?? and by "on this". "Operator" is spelled with "o".

karush said:
but couldn't find on the given list of formats.
I am not sure what you mean by formats.

A binary operator is a function of two arguments. The difference is that function applications are usually written in prefix notation: $f(x, y)$, while operators use infix notation: $x\mathop{f}y$.
 
well the format here is 7a+5b+8
yes I saw the f(x,y) notation but I also saw a?b= notation

ok I assume the binary operator here is addition or $\oplus$ since we are adding
but I do not know what a and b is

why are they giving (a*b)=a+6b

but then it asks (2$\oplus$3)*4=
[(7(2)+5(3)+8]*4=148

or am I all botched on this
 
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karush said:

image due markup questions

ok i tried to find the ?? binary operater on this but couldn't find on the given list of formats. also still need a primer on these since the last time i did a few of these was 6 years ago! don't think its a hard problem just need to refresh the basics
You are making a mountain out of a molehill.

2 :) 3 = 7(2) + 5(3) + 8 = 14 + 15 + 8 = 37

What's 37*4?

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
You are making a mountain out of a molehill.

2 :) 3 = 7(2) + 5(3) + 8 = 14 + 15 + 8 = 37

What's 37*4?

-Dan
148yes but it also said a*b=a+6b see spoiler in OP so is it 37{2+6{3}}=
so the operator is a :) ?
 
karush said:
well the format here is 7a+5b+8
When a function $f$ is defined by an equation $f(a,b)=e$, I've never seen the expression $e$ referred to as "format".

karush said:
ok I assume the binary operator here is addition or ⊕\oplus since we are adding
but I do not know what a and b is
One binary operator is called :). You can as well call it $f$, $\varphi$ or smiley_face. The name is completely irrelevant. Let's go with $f$. The definition $a\;: )\;b=7a+5b+8$ is equivalent to $f(a,b)=7a+5b+8$. Similarly, the second function (let's call it $g$) is defined as $g(a,b)=a+6b$. The problem asks to find $g(f(2,3),4)$.
 
so in short we have... what we have here is a composite function of
f(a, b) or a:)b = 7a+5b+8 and g(a b) = a+6b
hence g(f(a,b),4)
so then 2 :)3 = 7(2) + 5(3) + 8 = 14 + 15 + 8 = 37
finally g(37,4) = 37+6(4)=37+24=61
 
That's correct.
 
10 more to go
but i think its sinking in
strange none of was ever mentioned in any of my textbooks
 

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