Image of ring hom is ideal, kernel is subring.

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a ring homomorphism \(\phi: R \to S\) when its image is an ideal of \(S\) and when its kernel is a subring with unity of \(R\). Participants explore the implications of these conditions on the nature of the homomorphism.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the kernel being a subring with unity, questioning whether this leads to \(\phi\) being the trivial homomorphism. There is also exploration of the conditions under which the image being an ideal suggests surjectivity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the implications of the kernel and image conditions, while others are questioning assumptions and clarifying points about the nature of the homomorphism. Multiple interpretations regarding the properties of \(S\) and the behavior of \(\phi\) are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the question asks about the homomorphism rather than the codomain, leading to discussions about the nature of \(S\) and the implications of unity being in the image.

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Homework Statement



Let \phi: R \to S be a ring homomorphism from R to S. What can you say about \phi if its image \text{im}\phi is an ideal of S? What can you say about \phi if its kernel \ker \phi is a subring (w unity) of R?


The Attempt at a Solution



I think the second one is easy. Since \ker \phi is a subring with unity, we have that \phi(1_R) = 0_S. But it is necessary that \phi(1_R) = 1_S since \phi is a homomorphism. Thus \phi \equiv 0 the trivial homomorphism. I think this is all I can say about this.

The second one is a bit trickier. I want to say that \phi is surjective, and here is my reasoning. If \text{im}\phi is an ideal, then for all s \in S, t \in \text{im}\phi we get that st \in \text{im}\phi. Let u, v \in R be such that \phi(u) = s, \phi(v) = st, then
\phi(v) = st = s \phi(u)
So now I want to be able to say that there is necessarily a w \in R such that \phi(w) = s, but I can't quite see how to get there.
 
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Kreizhn said:

Homework Statement



Let \phi: R \to S be a ring homomorphism from R to S. What can you say about \phi if its image \text{im}\phi is an ideal of S? What can you say about \phi if its kernel \ker \phi is a subring (w unity) of R?

The Attempt at a Solution



I think the second one is easy. Since \ker \phi is a subring with unity, we have that \phi(1_R) = 0_S. But it is necessary that \phi(1_R) = 1_S since \phi is a homomorphism. Thus \phi \equiv 0 the trivial homomorphism. I think this is all I can say about this.

That's not all you can say about this. How can \phi ever be the trivial homomorphism 0 if \phi(1_R)=1_S. The only way phi can ever be trivial is if \phi(1_R)=0. Thus...

The second one is a bit trickier. I want to say that \phi is surjective, and here is my reasoning. If \text{im}\phi is an ideal, then for all s \in S, t \in \text{im}\phi we get that st \in \text{im}\phi. Let u, v \in R be such that \phi(u) = s, \phi(v) = st, then
\phi(v) = st = s \phi(u)
So now I want to be able to say that there is necessarily a w \in R such that \phi(w) = s, but I can't quite see how to get there.

Can you do something with the information that 1_S\in im(\phi)?
 
I had thought that first part was a bit fishy. My first inclination was to declare that S had to be the zero-ring, though the question asks what we can say about the homomorphism not what we can say about the codomain. Is this what you were going for?

Haha, I just figured out what you meant about 1 in the image. Obviously, if unity is in the ideal, the ideal is the whole ring, so the function is surjective.

Thanks.
 
Kreizhn said:
I had thought that first part was a bit fishy. My first inclination was to declare that S had to be the zero-ring, though the question asks what we can say about the homomorphism not what we can say about the codomain. Is this what you were going for?

Yes, this was what I meant. S has to be the zero ring, and phi has to be trivial!

Haha, I just figured out what you meant about 1 in the image. Obviously, if unity is in the ideal, the ideal is the whole ring, so the function is surjective.

Indeed!
 

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