Implicit differentiation of many variables

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The discussion revolves around implicit differentiation involving a function z, with participants questioning the correctness of provided partial derivatives and the implicit nature of the function. The subject area includes calculus and multivariable functions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants express confusion regarding the calculation of partial derivatives of z with respect to x and y. Some suggest that the function z may not be given implicitly, proposing an alternative form of z as ln(x^2 + y^2). Others question the validity of this guess and discuss the implications of different forms of z on the differentiation process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the function z and its implications for differentiation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the potential forms of z, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or interpretation.

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There are indications of missing information related to the problem statement, particularly concerning the function z and its implicit nature. Participants are also navigating the complexities of differentiating with multiple variables while considering which variables are held constant.

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Homework Statement



For the given function z to demonstrate the equality:

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[/B]As you see I show the solution provided by the book, but I have some questions on this.

I don't understand how the partial derivative of z respect to x or y has been calculated.

Do you think this is correct?

I think this is a giant errata, I guess the function z is not given implicitly and it simply is:

z = ln ( x ^2 + y^2)

The partial derivatives are calculated normally:

∂z/∂x= 2 * x/(x^2 + y^2)

Similar for y, and with this it is straighforward to demonstrate the equality.

What do you think? There are two options:

1.- Or the statement and solution of the given problem is correct---> In that case I don't understand anything. Could you explain how to get the partial derivatives?

2.- Or there is a giant errata, z is not given implicitly and the calculation is easy.

And forgeting this problem I was wondering in case I found an equation with z given implicitly like:

z^2 = x * z + y * z^3

How would we differenciate this equation?

As we have many variables we should choose which are maintained constant and which are changing. Suppose we differenciate this expression considering x is changing, y is constant but z obviously changes, due to the changes in x.

The receipt is changing x for x+dx, z changes to z+dz and y doesn't change at all. I get:

(z+dz)2 - z2 = ( (x+dx) * (z+dz) + y * (z+dz)3 ) - (x * z + y * z3)

After neglecting diferentials of order two and three I get:

dz = dx * (z dx / 2x - x -3 y z^2)

But this differential arose because there was a change on x, so I should call it dzx, then I should do the same calculation for dzy and the total differential of the function z should be:

dz = dzx + dz y

Is this correct?

 
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jonjacson said:

Homework Statement



For the given function z to demonstrate the equality:

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Is there information missing from the image above, especially in the upper right corner?
 
jonjacson said:

Homework Statement

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I don't understand how the partial derivative of z respect to x or y has been calculated.

Do you think this is correct?

I think this is a giant errata, I guess the function z is not given implicitly and it simply is:

z = ln ( x ^2 + y^2)

The partial derivatives are calculated normally:

∂z/∂x= 2 * x/(x^2 + y^2)
This result doesn't match what's given in the solution, so why do you think your guess for ##z## is correct?

The solution is definitely wrong for the given ##z##, but your guess is wrong too. It looks like the solution used ##z = \ln (x^2+xy+y^2)##.
 
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vela said:
This result doesn't match what's given in the solution, so why do you think your guess for ##z## is correct?

The solution is definitely wrong for the given ##z##, but your guess is wrong too. It looks like the solution used ##z = \ln (x^2+xy+y^2)##.

Thanks for your answer.

But with my guess I find:

∂z/∂x= 2x/(x^2 + y^2)

∂z/∂y= 2y/(x^2 + y^2)

So if I substitute in the equation I get:

x * (2x/(x^2 + y^2)) + y * (2y/(x^2 + y^2)) = 2

In the denominator we have the same functions, so we can simply sum the numerators to get:

(2 x^2 + 2 y^2 )/ (x^2 + y^2) = 2

And this equation is true. What am I doing wrong?

Mark44 said:
Is there information missing from the image above, especially in the upper right corner?

No, there is nothing.
 

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