Improper Integral: 1/x2 | Converges to -1?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of improper integrals, specifically focusing on the integral of 1/x² from 0 to 1 and comparing it to the integral of 1/x. Participants explore the behavior of these integrals as they approach undefined points.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the process of evaluating the improper integral and question the substitution of limits, particularly at points where the integrand is undefined. There is also exploration of limits as x approaches zero and the implications for convergence.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the limits involved in the integrals. Some participants have provided insights into the necessity of using limits to evaluate convergence, while others are still clarifying their understanding of the concepts involved.

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There is an emphasis on the definition of improper integrals and the need to consider limits due to undefined behavior at certain points in the integration range.

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Decide if the following improper integral converges or not

Integrate 1/x2

limits are 1 0

Now by simple integration we can see that:

[x-2] = -x-1

Substituting in 1 and 0:

-(1/1) - 0

So series converges to -1

Is this correct?
 
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Can you explain in more detail how substituting 0 for x in -1/x gives 0?
 
:smile: I don't understand why I have put that. With that in mind I don't know what to put there??
 
andrey21 said:
:smile: I don't understand why I have put that. With that in mind I don't know what to put there??

Look up the definition of improper integral. You don't put anything into -1/x. You have to find the limit as x->0 of -1/x.
 
In this integral the integrand is undefined at one of the endpoints of integration. You need to use a limit to determine whether this integral is convergent.
\lim_{a \to 0^+}\int_a^b\frac{dx}{x^2}
 
andrey21 said:
As x tends to zero would the limit of -1/x be infinity??

Yes, it would. What does that tell you about the integral?
 
Sorry I accidentally deleted my previous post, that means the integral itself tends to infinity and so is Divergent.
 
andrey21 said:
Sorry I accidentally deleted my previous post, that means the integral itself tends to infinity and so is Divergent.

Yes, it's divergent.
 
Great thanks Dick, I do have a similar problem but the integral is:

1/x

So integrating gives:

[ln x]

So as x tends to zero the limit will be??
 
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andrey21 said:
Great thanks Dick, I do have a similar problem but the integral is:

1/x

So integrating gives:

[ln x]

So as x tends to zero the limit will be??

You tell me. e^(-100) is pretty close to zero. What's ln(e^(-100))? Can you name some other numbers even closer to zero?
 
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Well ln and e cancel each other out so leave -100 correct?
 
  • #12
andrey21 said:
Well ln and e cancel each other out so leave -100 correct?

Yes. So what do you say about the limit?
 
  • #13
So as x tends to zero the limit is -100??
 
  • #14
andrey21 said:
So as x tends to zero the limit is -100??

You can't think of any numbers closer to zero than e^(-100)?
 
  • #15
Well e^(-101) , e^(-102) etc so could I say e^(-infinity)

so ln e^(-infinity) so limit is -infinity
 
  • #16
andrey21 said:
Well e^(-101) , e^(-102) etc so could I say e^(-infinity)

so ln e^(-infinity) so limit is -infinity

That's better.
 
  • #17
Thank you dick for all your help
 

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