Improper Integral of a Monotonic Function

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a monotonic function defined on the interval (1, ∞) and the convergence of its improper integral. Participants explore the implications of the function being monotonically decreasing and the conditions under which the limit as x approaches infinity exists.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of the function being bounded below for the convergence of the integral and the existence of the limit. There are inquiries about the implications of removing the boundedness condition and the nature of convergence in relation to limits.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning assumptions about boundedness and the relationship between the convergence of the integral and the existence of the limit. Some guidance has been offered regarding the properties of bounded monotonic functions, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of changing the function's definition.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the function is defined to map from (1, ∞) to [0, ∞), which imposes certain constraints on its behavior. There is also mention of the lack of textbook restrictions, allowing for a variety of approaches to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Let ##f: (1, \infty) \to [0,\infty)## be a function such that the improper integral ##\int_{1}^{\infty} f(x)dx## converges. If ##f## is monotonically decreasing, then ##\lim_{x \to \infty} f(x)## exists.

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The Attempt at a Solution



This problem doesn't come from a textbook, so there are no restrictions on what theorems can be used. However, I would prefer an elementary solution. My strategy is to show that if ##f## is not bounded below, then ##\int_{1}^{\infty} f(x)dx## couldn't possibly converge. This would mean that ##f## would have to bounded below in addition to being monotonically decreasing, which I believe would imply that ##\lim_{x \to \infty} f(x)## exists. I could use some hints.
 
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Bashyboy said:

Homework Statement


Let ##f: (1, \infty) \to [0,\infty)## be a function such that the improper integral ##\int_{1}^{\infty} f(x)dx## converges. If ##f## is monotonically decreasing, then ##\lim_{x \to \infty} f(x)## exists.

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The Attempt at a Solution



This problem doesn't come from a textbook, so there are no restrictions on what theorems can be used. However, I would prefer an elementary solution. My strategy is to show that if ##f## is not bounded below, then ##\int_{1}^{\infty} f(x)dx## couldn't possibly converge. This would mean that ##f## would have to bounded below in addition to being monotonically decreasing, which I believe would imply that ##\lim_{x \to \infty} f(x)## exists. I could use some hints.

If ##f## is not bounded below then there exists a ##c## such that ##f(x)<-1## for all ##x>c##, right?
 
Bashyboy said:

Homework Statement


Let ##f: (1, \infty) \to [0,\infty)## be a function such that the improper integral ##\int_{1}^{\infty} f(x)dx## converges. If ##f## is monotonically decreasing, then ##\lim_{x \to \infty} f(x)## exists.

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The Attempt at a Solution



This problem doesn't come from a textbook, so there are no restrictions on what theorems can be used. However, I would prefer an elementary solution. My strategy is to show that if ##f## is not bounded below, then ##\int_{1}^{\infty} f(x)dx## couldn't possibly converge. This would mean that ##f## would have to bounded below in addition to being monotonically decreasing, which I believe would imply that ##\lim_{x \to \infty} f(x)## exists. I could use some hints.

There is nothing to prove: you said that ##f(x) \in [0,\infty)##, so ##f## is automatically bounded below by 0.
 
Ray Vickson said:
There is nothing to prove: you said that ##f(x) \in [0,\infty)##, so ##f## is automatically bounded below by 0.

Good point.
 
Ray Vickson said:
There is nothing to prove: you said that ##f(x) \in [0,\infty)##, so ##f## is automatically bounded below by 0.

Ah! Very keen eye! So the fact that the interval converges has no bearing on whether ##\lim_{x \to \infty} f(x)## exists? What if we were to remove the condition and just stipulate that ##f## is a function from ##(1,\infty)## to ##\Bbb{R}##? Would I follow Dick's suggestion in that case?
 
Bashyboy said:
Ah! Very keen eye! So the fact that the interval converges has no bearing on whether ##\lim_{x \to \infty} f(x)## exists? What if we were to remove the condition and just stipulate that ##f## is a function from ##(1,\infty)## to ##\Bbb{R}##? Would I follow Dick's suggestion in that case?

I would.
 
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Bashyboy said:
Ah! Very keen eye! So the fact that the interval converges has no bearing on whether ##\lim_{x \to \infty} f(x)## exists? What if we were to remove the condition and just stipulate that ##f## is a function from ##(1,\infty)## to ##\Bbb{R}##? Would I follow Dick's suggestion in that case?

I don't know what you mean when you say "the interval converges". Intervals do not converge; they just sit there, silently. However, integrals may converge.

Of course ##\lim_{x \to \infty} f(x)## exists, because ##f## is a bounded monotonic function. (There are theorems about that; you should look them up.)

The only remaining question is what the limit actually turns out to be.
 

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