Impulse and momentum in two dimensions - Finding velocity

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the conservation of momentum in a two-dimensional collision between two pucks. The original poster is attempting to find the final velocity of puck B after a collision with puck A, which is initially moving.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster outlines their approach using conservation of momentum for both x and y components, expressing confusion over discrepancies between their calculations and online answers. They question the meaning of subscripts used in their equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have confirmed the method used by the original poster is correct, suggesting that errors may lie in calculations. There is ongoing dialogue about the accuracy of the calculations and the interpretation of subscripts, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are addressing potential algebraic errors and the implications of using different subscripts for initial and final velocities. The original poster has not yet reached a final conclusion and is still working through the calculations.

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Homework Statement


In a physics lab, 0.30 kg puck A, moving at 5.0 m/s [W], undergoes a collision with a 0.40 kg puck B, which is initially at rest. Puck A moves at 4.2 m/s [W 30 N] . Find the final velocity of puck B.

Homework Equations


Conservation of momentum
Pythagorean theorum

The Attempt at a Solution


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I understand the steps I need to take to solve this question but once again I am getting a different answer than what I find online. Any help on where I went wrong would be great.

Let north and east be positive.

My diagram of the x and y components

https://i.imgur.com/0F5MsrP.png

Using conservation of momentum for the components

X-components:
(Not sure if all of the subscripts are correct in this part)
m1v1ox+m2v2ox=m1v2fx+m2v2fx
(0.30)(-5)+(0.40)(0)=(0.30)(-3.64)+(0.40)v2fx
-1.5=-0.692
v2fx=-0.808

The answer online for this was -1.0. Was it just rounded down or did I go wrong somewhere?

For the y-component:

m1v1oy+m2v2oy=m2v1fy+m2v2fy
(0.30)(0)+(0.40)(0)=(0.30)(2.1)+(0.40)v2fy
0=1.03
v2fy=1.03

The answer online for this was -1.6, so I went wrong here too?

I didn't go beyond this part because I think my answers are wrong. I know that next I create a triangle with my answers and use pythagoreans theorem to solve for the missing side, then I use tan to find the direction and I have the final velocity with it's direction.

Also I haven't learned this yet but does the "o" in "v1o" mean initial? Does the "f" in v1f mean final?
 
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The method is correct. Recheck your calculations because it looks like you have made calculator errors.

"0" (zero not the letter o) as a subscript usually stands for "initial" as in time t = 0. With collision it makes more sense to use "i" and "f" for "initial" and "final".
 
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kuruman said:
The method is correct. Recheck your calculations because it looks like you have made calculator errors.

"0" (zero not the letter o) as a subscript usually stands for "initial" as in time t = 0. With collision it makes more sense to use "i" and "f" for "initial" and "final".
I double checked my calculations and I am still getting the same answers. I can't figure out where I have gone wrong.
 
Specter said:
(0.30)(-5)+(0.40)(0)=(0.30)(-3.64)+(0.40)v2fx
This is correct.
Specter said:
-1.5=-0.692
This directly below the correct expression is nonsense and does not follow.
Specter said:
(0.30)(0)+(0.40)(0)=(0.30)(2.1)+(0.40)v2fy
This is correct.
Specter said:
0=1.03
This directly below the correct expression is nonsense and does not follow.

Since when is -1.5 is equal to -0.692 and 0 is equal to 1.03 anyway? Perhaps you need to improve your algebra skills.
 
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Please post the details of this step. I get a different result.
Specter said:
(0.30)(-5)+(0.40)(0)=(0.30)(-3.64)+(0.40)v2fx
v2fx=-0.808
 
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kuruman said:
This is correct.

This directly below the correct expression is nonsense and does not follow.

This is correct.

This directly below the correct expression is nonsense and does not follow.

Since when is -1.5 is equal to -0.692 and 0 is equal to 1.03 anyway? Perhaps you need to improve your algebra skills.

Wow that was a stupid mistake. Here's what I think are the correct answers.

m1v1ox+m2v2ox=m1v2fx+m2v2fx
(0.30)(-5)+(0.40)(0)=(0.30)(-3.64)+(0.40)v2fx
-1.5+0=-1.092+0.40v2fx
-0.408/0.40
v2fx=1.02

m1v1oy+m2v2oy=m2v1fy+m2v2fy
(0.30)(0)+(0.40)(0)=(0.30)(2.1)+(0.40)v2fy
0=0.63+0.40v2fy
-0.63=0.40v2fy
vfy2=-1.575
 
haruspex said:
Please post the details of this step. I get a different result.
I think I figured it out in my latest reply.
 

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