What is the Final Velocity of Puck B After Collision?

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The discussion revolves around a collision problem involving two pucks, A and B, where puck A is initially moving and puck B is at rest. The goal is to determine the final velocity of puck B after the collision, given the mass and initial velocities of both pucks.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants analyze the conservation of momentum equations for the collision, questioning the accuracy of calculations and suggesting the need for more decimal precision in intermediate steps.

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There is ongoing dialogue about the correctness of the calculations presented, with some participants providing corrections and others requesting further clarification on the working steps. Suggestions for improving the clarity of the final answer have also been made.

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Participants are encouraged to maintain accuracy in calculations and consider mental estimates as a way to check their work. There is an emphasis on the importance of clear communication regarding directional notation in the final answer.

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Homework Statement


A 0.30kg puck A, moving at 5m/s [W], undergoes a collision with a 0.40 puck B which is initially at rest. Pick A moves off at 4.2m/s [W 30deg N]. Find the final velocity of Puck B.

Homework Equations


pi=pf
mvi=mvf

The Attempt at a Solution



Let [N] and [W] be positive

Puck A
vix = 5m/s
m1= 0.30kg
vf=4.2m/s
vfx : 4.2cos30=3.6m/s
vfy : 4.2sin30=2.1 m/s

Puck B
vi=0m/s
m2=0.40kg

Solve for v2fx

m1v1ix + m2v2ix = m1v1fx + m2v2fx

(0.30)(5)+(0.40)(0)=(0.30)(3.6)+(0.40)v2fx
2.43= v2fx

Solve for v2fy

m1v1iy + m2v2iy = m1v1fy + m2v2fy

(0.30)(0)+(0.40)(0)=(0.30)(2.1)+(0.40)v2fy
-1.58 = v2fy

Find the resultant v2f

|v2f| = sqrt((2.43)2+(1.58)2)
|v2f| = 2.9 m/s

tantheta = (1.58/2.43)
theta = tan-1(1.58/2.43)
theta = 33deg

Final answer: velocity of Puck B is 2.9m/s [33deg SW].

Can someone tell me if I'm doing this correctly?:
 
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Simoncoolstan said:
(0.30)(5)+(0.40)(0)=(0.30)(3.6)+(0.40)v2fx
2.43= v2fx
That step looks wrong.

By the way, you should keep some more decimal digits during the calculation or you may find the final result is rather inaccurate.
 
haruspex said:
That step looks wrong.

By the way, you should keep some more decimal digits during the calculation or you may find the final result is rather inaccurate.

Corrected it, I got v2fx=3.47 m/s and theta now = 25 degrees.

Does that seem correct now?
 
Simoncoolstan said:
Corrected it, I got v2fx=3.47 m/s
Still wrong. Please post all your working.
 
Ok one second
 
Ok one second
 
haruspex said:
Still wrong. Please post all your working.
(0.30)(5)+(0.40)(0)=(0.30)(3.6)+(0.40)v2fx
1.5+0=1.08+0.40v2fx
0.42=0.40v2fx
0.42/0.40=v2fx

1.05= v2fx

| v2 | = sqrt((1.05)2+(1.58)2)
= 1.9m/s

tantheta = (1.58/1.05)
theta = tan-1(1.58/1.05)
theta = 56 degrees

Answer: velocity of puck B is 1.05m/s [56deg SW]

How about now? Is my process wrong, or is it the math- this is what I get for doing my work at 6am lol.[/QUOTE]
 
Simoncoolstan said:
(0.30)(5)+(0.40)(0)=(0.30)(3.6)+(0.40)v2fx
1.5+0=1.08+0.40v2fx
0.42=0.40v2fx
0.42/0.40=v2fx

1.05= v2fx

| v2 | = sqrt((1.05)2+(1.58)2)
= 1.9m/s

tantheta = (1.58/1.05)
theta = tan-1(1.58/1.05)
theta = 56 degrees

Answer: velocity of puck B is 1.05m/s [56deg SW]

How about now? Is my process wrong, or is it the math- this is what I get for doing my work at 6am lol.
That all looks ok now. "56 deg SW" is not a clear way of stating it. Better is "56 deg S of W".

Edit: You should get into the habit of doing very rough mental estimates to check your answers.
In the equation you were handling wrongly, you could see the puck A lost 1.4m/s of its x velocity, and it weighs only 3/4 of puck B. So puck B's x velocity must be 3/4 of 1.4m/s.
 
haruspex said:
That all looks ok now. "56 deg SW" is not a clear way of stating it. Better is "56 deg S of W".

Ok thanks so much for you help!
 
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haruspex said:
Edit: You should get into the habit of doing very rough mental estimates to check your answers.
In the equation you were handling wrongly, you could see the puck A lost 1.4m/s of its x velocity, and it weighs only 3/4 of puck B. So puck B's x velocity must be 3/4 of 1.4m/s.

Is that just a shorter way of performing the calculation?
 
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Simoncoolstan said:
Is that just a shorter way of performing the calculation?
whether it is shorter depends on exactly how you solved the equation. If you multiplied out all the terms first then yes it is. But more generally the numbers might have been a lot more awkward. The point is to do a mental check in terms of the approximate ratios and differences. E.g. if the masses had been 0.31 and 0.39 I would still have called it 3/4.
 
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haruspex said:
whether it is shorter depends on exactly how you solved the equation. If you multiplied out all the terms first then yes it is. But more generally the numbers might have been a lot more awkward. The point is to do a mental check in terms of the approximate ratios and differences. E.g. if the masses had been 0.31 and 0.39 I would still have called it 3/4.
Ok thanks for your help!
 

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