Impulse and Momentum: Substitution Trouble

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The problem involves a collision between a van and a car, focusing on the concepts of impulse and momentum. The scenario describes an elastic collision where the van is initially at rest and the car is moving towards it. Participants are tasked with finding the final velocities of both vehicles after the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of initial and final momentum equations, the concept of relative velocities in elastic collisions, and the potential challenges in algebraic manipulation. There are suggestions to avoid using kinetic energy directly for this problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is progressing with participants offering insights on how to approach the problem using momentum conservation principles. Some clarification has been provided regarding the treatment of velocities as vectors, which seems to aid understanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating basic algebraic challenges and the implications of the elastic collision assumption. There is an acknowledgment of the initial conditions and the need for careful substitution in their equations.

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Ok, in this problem I am getting bogged down in the basic algebra part of it. I had one person explain it once but I still missed something.:frown:

a 1055-kg van, stopped at a traffic light, is hit directly in the rear by a 715-kg car traveling with a velocity of +2.26 m/s. Assume that the transmission of the van is in neutral, the brakes are not being applied, and the collision is elastic. What is the final velocity of (a) the car and (b) the van?
m1 = 715 kg
m2 = 1055 kg
vo1 = +2.25 m/s
vo2 = 0 m/s
vf1 = ?
vf2 = ?
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You know the initial masses and velocities and hence the initial momentum...from this you know the *relative* approach velocity before impact...and as the collision is elastic you also know the relative exit velocity...If you can form 2 equations using this info you should be able to spot a substitution easily...I don't think trying to solve in terms of KE is the best method
 
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Think of it this way.

The initial momentum of the system (the car + the van) must equal the final momentum of the system (the car + the van).

Treat velocities as vectors such that -> would be (+) and <- would be (-).

That should help.
 
AHHH... thank you! lol makes more sense that way!
 
No problem.
 

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