In string theory, what physically causes the small strings to vibrate?

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The discussion centers on the question of what physically causes the small strings in string theory to vibrate. It explores theoretical implications, conceptual understanding, and the mathematical complexities associated with string theory.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that string theory is fundamentally different from traditional physics, emphasizing that it involves additional structures where energy can be distributed, rather than resembling physical strings.
  • Others argue that the mathematical complexity of string theory is often overstated, noting that many physicists work on it and that it has not yet produced verifiable predictions at accessible energy levels.
  • A participant highlights the implications of the Uncertainty Principle at the scale of strings, suggesting that discussing vibration becomes problematic due to the inherent uncertainties in position at such small scales.
  • Concerns are raised about the abstract nature of string behavior, indicating that below atomic scales, conventional concepts of size and motion may not apply meaningfully.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of string theory and its mathematical challenges. There is no consensus on the physical interpretation of string vibrations or the implications of the Uncertainty Principle at such small scales.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the abstract nature of string behavior and the challenges posed by the Uncertainty Principle, which complicate discussions of physical properties at the scale of strings.

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In string theory, what physically causes the small strings to vibrate?
 
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A bunch of math so difficult, only three people on Earth can do it.
 
jasonjbaker said:
A bunch of math so difficult, only three people on Earth can do it.

Three people? There are tens of thousands of people who work on string theory. Also, ALL physics is a bunch of math, the key difference with string theory is that where the standard model has made a staggering amount of correct quantitative predictions, string theory, so far, only appears to give predictions *different* from the standard model at energies far beyond those we can currently access. Thus the phrase "not even wrong", it replicates general relativity and the standard model in the correct situations but it doesn't make any verifiable new predictions.
 
AZcristian623 said:
In string theory, what physically causes the small strings to vibrate?

I commented on your other post, but again, string theory isn't actually about "strings" in any way you have an intuition about. It is more to say that the universe has additional structure where energy can *go* and the way energy gets distributed amongst this additional structure informs a great deal about the properties of the system. Any notion of a physical guitar strings that is vibrating erratically is just gimmickry that is riddled with wrongness (I know, not a word), much in the same way that general relativity isn't REALLY like a rubber sheet being stretched downward by a mass.
 
You probably already know about the Uncertainty Principle.

For something the size of a hydrogen atom, the uncertainty of position is about 6 diameters, so it becomes problematic even at that scale to speak of something like vibration, which kind of requires some specific locations with which to describe the vibration itself (the size and limits of the wiggle)...

The strings in String Theory are very small - if you were the size of a String, the diameter of a proton next to you would be about the distance to the Andromeda Galaxy... 2.5 Million Light Years!

Strings are so small that the Uncertainty Principle and just about all of the rest of what we think we know makes all accounts of their possible behaviors totally abstract (hence the hard math)... in some respects, once you get below the size of atoms the concepts of size, shape, form, length, motion, rotation, etc. just don't have any substance to work with... at the level of the Strings, I don't know if anyone really knows what to think about them.
 

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