In the haber process why is the yield higher when liquid?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the Haber process and the conditions that lead to higher yields of ammonia, specifically focusing on the effects of collecting ammonia as a liquid versus in the gaseous phase. The scope includes theoretical aspects of chemical equilibrium and practical implications in industrial chemistry.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that collecting ammonia as a liquid increases yield due to the removal of the product from the gaseous phase.
  • Others mention the role of cooling the reaction mixture to condense ammonia, allowing unreacted gases to be recycled back into the reaction chamber.
  • A participant references the Van 't Hoff relation and the cost implications of maintaining high pressure in the process.
  • There is a mention of Le Chatelier's principle as a framework for understanding the equilibrium shift when ammonia is collected as a liquid.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the explanations provided and seek clarification on how these concepts relate to the original question about equilibrium position.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the explanations provided. There are competing views on the clarity and relevance of the responses to the original question, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the conditions of the reaction and the definitions of terms like "equilibrium" and "yield" are not explicitly stated, leading to potential misunderstandings.

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I know that setting the conditions so that the product is formed as a liquid will produce a higher yield in the manufacture of Ammonia, but why is this?
 
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No idea what you mean - unless it is a trivial removal of the product from the gaseous phase.
 
For the Van 't Hoff relation, but pressure is expensive to maintain.

After Borek's comment above, yes, ammonia is removed by cooling the mixed gases from the reaction chamber, condensing the ammonia and returning the unreacted nitrogen and hydrogen to the reactin chamber.
 
I was doing this quiz and my question relates to question 5 on here. I may not have explained it very well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/quiz/q88871702
 
Thanks, that was an interesting read but I couldn't find anything that seemed to provide an explanation to the question I posted the link to.
 
I have already addressed this.
 
Sorry, I really do appreciate your help, but I can't see how your reply provides an answer to this question that I posted the link to

"What effect would there be on the position of equilibrium if the reaction was cooled to below ammonia's boiling point and ammonia collected as a liquid?"

With the answer being that the equilibrium would shift to the right.
 
It is a direct application of Le Chatelier's principle. Do you know it? If not, google.
 

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