Indefinite forms and l'hopital

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the function x^x as x approaches zero from the right, which presents an indeterminate form. Participants are exploring the application of L'Hôpital's rule and algebraic manipulations to address the limit's evaluation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss two main approaches to evaluate the limit: taking the natural logarithm of the expression or rewriting it in exponential form. There is a focus on understanding the implications of each method and the resulting forms they produce.

Discussion Status

Some participants are clarifying the relationship between the two methods and questioning why different results are being obtained. There is an acknowledgment of the importance of evaluating the limit of the logarithmic form and its connection to the original expression.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the operations involving limits and logarithms can sometimes be interchanged under certain conditions, which is a point of confusion in the discussion. There is also mention of a textbook reference that provides a different answer, contributing to the participants' uncertainty.

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Homework Statement


*indeterminate* oops

the limit of x^x as x goes to zero from the right

Homework Equations



Going to be using L'hopital, and related algebraic manipulations to convert to indefinite form 0/0, infinity/infinity

The Attempt at a Solution



My understanding is that this limit produces initially by plugging in 0 the indefinite exponential form 0^0, and so I have the choice to either:

a) take natural log, bring down the x...
b) write in exponential form of 'e'

I always use the log method bc I don't really get truly what's going on in method b. When I use 'a', I end up with the form -x, which gives me a limit of 0. When 'b' is used, the textbook says the limit is 1, because 'e'^xlnx = 'e'^0 = 1. This is in Stewart's single var. calc text as an exponential indefinite form example.

Thanks.
 
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(a) and (b) are essentially the same. Any number, u, can be written as [itex]e^{ln(u)}[/itex] so that [itex]x^x= e^{ln(x^x)}= e^{xln(x)}[/itex]. Since [itex]e^x[/itex] is continuous, [itex]lim e^{xln(x)}= e^{\lim (x ln(x)}[/itex].
 
Ok but the book gets an answer of one, and I keep getting zero!
 
Square1 said:
Ok but the book gets an answer of one, and I keep getting zero!

You might be getting the limit of the ln of your expression. If this limit is 0, then the limit of the expression itself (rather than its ln) will be 1.

Note that under certain conditions, the operations "limit of ..." and "ln of ..." can be switched.
 
Ok I got it! I think it is what mark was talking about.

I evaluated the limit of xlnx = 0, and forgot that by manipulating theoriginal expression to be in terms of ln, that I have lny on the other side. So I forgot to do the last step which is solve for y in lny = 0 , which equals 1.
 

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