Limit - Squeeze Theorem or L'Hopital's Rule?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression (1 - cos(x))/x as x approaches 0. Participants are considering the applicability of the Squeeze Theorem and L'Hopital's Rule in this context.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt to apply L'Hopital's Rule, while others express confusion about the correct application of this method. There are also attempts to use the Squeeze Theorem, with participants questioning the setup of inequalities and the resulting limits.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to solve the limit problem, with some providing guidance on the correct application of L'Hopital's Rule and others suggesting alternative approaches. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to use, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that L'Hopital's Rule was not covered in class, which raises questions about the appropriateness of its use. Additionally, there are concerns regarding the proper setup of the Squeeze Theorem and the assumptions made in the discussion.

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Homework Statement





Homework Equations



Squeeze theorem: set up inequalities putting the function of interest between two integers.

L'Hopital's rule: when plugging in the number into the limit results in a specified indeterminate form such as 0/0 or infinity/infinity then take the derivative of the numerator and the derivative of the denominator and again plug-in to solve the limit.

The limit of 1-cosx/x as x --> 0 is 1.

The Attempt at a Solution



I used L'Hopital's rule and applied two iterations of get

cos(x)/(4cosx+4cosx-4xsinx)

Plugging in 0 results in

1 / (4+4-0) = 1/8

However, we never learned L'Hopital's rule in class and the only thing we learned was the squeeze theorem. I attempted to use the squeeze theorem (without success):

0≤1-cosx≤2

I'm not sure where to proceed beyond the above step in using the squeeze theorem.

0/x≤(1-cosx)/x≤2/x
x--> 0 so infinity≤(1-cosx)/x≤infinity

Is the squeeze theorem the correct method to solve this problem? Or am I overlooking some common identity or method other than L'Hopital's rule to solve this problem?
 
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Qube said:

Homework Statement





Homework Equations



Squeeze theorem: set up inequalities putting the function of interest between two integers.

Not generally between two integers, just two numbers.

L'Hopital's rule: when plugging in the number into the limit results in a specified indeterminate form such as 0/0 or infinity/infinity then take the derivative of the numerator and the derivative of the denominator and again plug-in to solve the limit.

The limit of 1-cosx/x as x --> 0 is 1.

I assume you mean ##\frac{1-\cos x}{x}## and not what you have written:##1 -\frac{\cos x}{x}##. Use parentheses! Also, you will have difficulty proving it since the limit isn't ##1##.

The Attempt at a Solution



I used L'Hopital's rule and applied two iterations of get

cos(x)/(4cosx+4cosx-4xsinx)

How in the world did you get that with L'Hospital's rule?? Show your work.

Plugging in 0 results in

1 / (4+4-0) = 1/8

However, we never learned L'Hopital's rule in class and the only thing we learned was the squeeze theorem. I attempted to use the squeeze theorem (without success):

0≤1-cosx≤2

I'm not sure where to proceed beyond the above step in using the squeeze theorem.

0/x≤(1-cosx)/x≤2/x
x--> 0 so infinity≤(1-cosx)/x≤infinity

##\frac 0 x = 0## so you have ##0## on the left and infinity on the right. Nothing is being squeezed. Try doing L'Hospital's rule correctly.
 
If you use L'Hospital's rule you calculate the derivative of 1-cosx and x, which gives you sinx/1 or simply sinx. What's the limit as x approaches 0 of sinx?
Another method to evaluate this limit is using the fact that the limit as x approaches 0 of sinx/x is 1, and then multiplying your original problem ((1-cosx)/x) by the conjugate of the numerator. When you simplify this you'll see the limit I mentioned earlier pop up which helps you simplify and get to the correct answer.
 
I think you took the derivative of the whole functions, you're supposed to take the derivative of the top and bottom separately. So the derivative of the top/derivative of the bottom. The bottom gives you 1 and the top gives you what?
 

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