Independent Physics Institution/Agency

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of an independent institution or agency dedicated solely to physics education, distinct from traditional high schools and universities. Participants explore the idea of a school offering high-level physics classes, potentially free of charge, and the feasibility of such an establishment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the existence of an independent institution for physics education, specifically for high-level classes rather than introductory courses.
  • Another participant suggests examples of self-study resources like Khan Academy and MIT Video Series, questioning if the inquiry pertains to home study.
  • Several participants express skepticism about the viability of a free, independent physics school, noting the challenges of offering graduate-level classes without affiliation to established institutions.
  • Some participants draw analogies to free music schools established by passionate musicians, suggesting that similar motivations could drive physicists to create such an institution.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of integrating mathematics into physics education, indicating that a separation may hinder effective learning.
  • One participant mentions that for a physics school to be effective, it would need to provide not just physics classes but also labs and classes in related subjects like math and computers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence or feasibility of an independent physics institution. There are competing views regarding the practicality of such a school and the necessary components for effective physics education.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specifics of the proposed institution, including its structure, funding, and curriculum. There is also a recognition that the integration of mathematics is crucial for a comprehensive physics education.

John Fennie
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Is there an institution or maybe just a small agency out there purely for physics education? I am not talking about high schools or universities. I am referring to classes outside of school.

Thanks ahead for any sort of insight!
 
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John Fennie said:
Is there an institution or maybe just a small agency out there purely for physics education? I am not talking about high schools or universities. I am referring to classes outside of school.
Do you mean like for self-study at home? Like the Khan Academy or the MIT Video Series?

Or do you mean something else? The better you make your question (with lots of details), the better we can answer it... :smile:
 
berkeman said:
Do you mean like for self-study at home? Like the Khan Academy or the MIT Video Series?

Or do you mean something else? The better you make your question (with lots of details), the better we can answer it... :smile:

Ok. What I meant is a school (with teachers, not online) designated specific for physics, and not for intro courses, but for high level physics. Like think of a physics professor just quit his job at Harvard and open an independent institution not affiliated with anybody or any other schools.
 
John Fennie said:
Ok. What I meant is a school (with teachers, not online) designated specific for physics, and not for intro courses, but for high level physics. Like think of a physics professor just quit his job at Harvard and open an independent institution not affiliated with anybody or any other schools.

So you want a school that is not affiliated with any school.

Makes sense to me!

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
So you want a school that is not affiliated with any school.

Makes sense to me!

Zz.
You don't have to be so sarcastic.
I meant a school designated for the subject for physics only.
 
Who are your target customers (clients)?
 
John Fennie said:
You don't have to be so sarcastic.
It seemed appropriate to me. It has been very difficult so far getting enough details out of you to be able to understand what you may be asking.
John Fennie said:
I meant a school designated for the subject for physics only.
Can you give some examples in other disciplines? Kind of like the Juilliard School of Music does for musicians?

https://www.juilliard.edu/
 
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CrysPhys said:
Who are your target customers (clients)?
Mainly students who are interested in learning physics. (Free classes, you can come. No need to pay)
 
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berkeman said:
It seemed appropriate to me. It has been very difficult so far getting enough details out of you to be able to understand what you may be asking.

Can you give some examples in other disciplines? Kind of like the Juilliard School of Music does for musicians?

https://www.juilliard.edu/
Yeah exactly. I am just wondering whether anyone knows any such places.
 
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John Fennie said:
Mainly students who are interested in learning physics. (Free classes, you can come. No need to pay)
So you're talking about an academy offering structured classes, rather than a tutoring service. Is that correct?
 
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John Fennie said:
You don't have to be so sarcastic.

You might try and post a clearer question.

berkeman said:
Kind of like the Juilliard School of Music does for musicians?
John Fennie said:
Free classes

Then that's not another Julliard. Julliard has one of the highest tuition in the country.

I still don't know what you're talking about, but I am pretty sure there is no place out there independent of a degree granting institution that teaches graduate-level classes taught by R1 professors or former R1 professors for free.
 
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It sounds pretty clear to me by now:
He wants a school that only teaches physics, for free.

No, there is no such thing. I can't imagine why anyone would start such an institution.
 
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russ_watters said:
It sounds pretty clear to me by now:
He wants a school that only teaches physics, for free.

No, there is no such thing. I can't imagine why anyone would start such an institution.
I've never heard of such an institution either. But I can imagine a reason why someone would start one. By analogy, some musicians have started free music schools via charitable foundations. But these are typically for children in poor neighborhoods (and other select groups in need). The musicians are passionate about music and feel strongly that everyone should have the opportunity to learn it. Here's one example: https://www.sarahschoolofmusic.com/ .

So there would need to be physicists that have a passion for physics and feel strongly that everyone should have the opportunity to learn it. Not sure anyone would launch an independent school though. Physicists in this category would most likely endow scholarships or fellowships for study at existing universities (to teach physics properly, you need more than physics classes; you need labs, as well as classes in other subjects such as math and computers).
 
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ZapperZ said:
So you want a school that is not affiliated with any school.

Makes sense to me!

Zz.
John Fennie said:
You don't have to be so sarcastic.
I meant a school designated for the subject for physics only.
Maybe, but asking a better question (not having read far enough ahead yet), a small private university, if it does have a Physics department.
 
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John Fennie said:
Mainly students who are interested in learning physics. (Free classes, you can come. No need to pay)
This now becomes vacuous.
 
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CrysPhys said:
I've never heard of such an institution either. But I can imagine a reason why someone would start one. By analogy, some musicians have started free music schools via charitable foundations. But these are typically for children in poor neighborhoods (and other select groups in need). The musicians are passionate about music and feel strongly that everyone should have the opportunity to learn it. Here's one example: https://www.sarahschoolofmusic.com/ .

So there would need to be physicists that have a passion for physics and feel strongly that everyone should have the opportunity to learn it. Not sure anyone would launch an independent school though. Physicists in this category would most likely endow scholarships or fellowships for study at existing universities (to teach physics properly, you need more than physics classes; you need labs, as well as classes in other subjects such as math and computers).
If one person can donate a piano as a charitable act, then another person can donate an oscilloscope as a charitable act.
 
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Students are not going to get very far in Physics without math, so even if the business aspects would work, divorcing Physics from math in an educational setting is probably prohibitive. And if you're going to teach enough math to do a decent job with Physics, you'll have a critical mass on the math side to do a good job serving other subjects also: math, chemistry, engineering, etc.
 

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