Induced current in moving Mercury

In summary, the conversation discusses the direction of current in a circuit with a mercury-filled region and a shorted-out portion. The conclusion is that the conventional current flows in the opposite direction of the electrons, and that the shorted-out portion causes the current to flow in the opposite direction in the mercury. This is supported by looking at the closed loop integral of the electric field and the fact that the wire has lower resistance than the mercury.
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Hello everyone,
This question is the third question from the 2001 IPhO:

Problem text: http://www.jyu.fi/tdk/kastdk/olympiads/2001/IPhO2001-THEO.pdf
Solution text: http://www.jyu.fi/tdk/kastdk/olympiads/2001/IPhO2001-THEO-SLN.pdf

I'm having trouble understanding how they came to the conclusion that the current is in the [tex]-\hat y[/tex] direction. (Avoidance of a runaway process aside)
I came to the conclusion that it's in the [tex]+\hat y[/tex] direction.

My thought process is as follows:

[tex]\vec F_{Lorentz}=0[/tex]

[tex]\vec E = qvB \hat y[/tex]

[tex]\vec J = \frac{\vec E}{\rho}[/tex]

[tex]I=\vec J \cdot \vec A = \frac{E}{\rho}Lh[/tex]

Now all this is still in the [tex]+\hat y[/tex] direction.

I feel like I should somehow acknowledge the fact that the circuit is shorted out outside the material, and that that's the reason the current in the material goes in the opposite direction, but that doesn't seem right.

Any advice on what I've missed would be greatly appreciated. :)
 
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+y direction is the direction in which the electrons are forced to move. But the conventional current is in the direction opposite to the direction of motion of electrons.
When you apply ohms law, you have to use the conventional current.
 
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rl.bhat said:
+y direction is the direction in which the electrons are forced to move. But the conventional current is in the direction opposite to the direction of motion of electrons.
When you apply ohms law, you have to use the conventional current.

I didn't think of Electrons at all.
 
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Speaking of electrons, an alternative analysis yields the following:

Looking at this from a Hall-Effect point of view, let's look at the individual electrons. If we assume that the protons remain quasi-stationary throughout the buildup of the E-field, then we can look solely at the electrons.

An electron of charge [tex]-e[/tex] will experience a magnetic force, [tex]-e\vec v\times\vec B=evB \hat y[/tex]

After sufficient time has passed, there will be a "buildup" of electrons on the far plate (The one further along on the y axis) and an electron deficiency in the near plate. This will induce an electric field going from the positive plate to the negative plate, and thus, also produce a current in the same direction.

Though I think I have an idea now.

Throughout my analysis I've neglected the fact that the plates are shorted out. If by shorted out, we are to understand that current would rather go through the wire than through the Mercury, then a possible solution is the following:
The electrons from the far plate travel along the wire to the positive plate. This in turn drives a motion of electrons through the Mercury from the positive plate to the negative plate. A motion of electrons in the [tex]+\hat y[/tex] direction is equivalent to a positive current in the [tex]-\hat y[/tex] direction.

I think that's the answer. :) Any corrections would be appreciated.

Thanks for making me think about the electrons, rl.bhat! Though I think you didn't quite understand what my mistake was.

Another approach is to look at the closed loop integral of the E-Field around the loop "near plate (0 contribution) - Mercury (positive contribution) - far plate (0 contribution) - conducting wire (negative contribution)"

And since we assume that the wire is of lower resistance than the mercury, and that the E-field in both is in the same direction, that means that the current in the [tex]+\hat y[/tex] direction must come in through the wire, leaving the return current to go through the Mercury.
 
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1. What is induced current in moving Mercury?

Induced current in moving Mercury refers to the production of an electric current in a conductor, such as Mercury, when it is exposed to a changing magnetic field. This phenomenon is known as electromagnetic induction and is the basis for many technologies, such as generators and transformers.

2. How is induced current in moving Mercury related to Faraday's law?

Faraday's law states that the magnitude of the induced current is directly proportional to the rate of change of the magnetic flux through the conductor. In the case of moving Mercury, the changing magnetic field induces a current in the conductor, following Faraday's law.

3. What factors affect the magnitude of induced current in moving Mercury?

The magnitude of induced current in moving Mercury depends on the strength of the magnetic field, the speed at which the Mercury is moving, and the angle between the direction of motion and the magnetic field. Generally, a stronger magnetic field, higher speed, and a greater angle will result in a larger induced current.

4. How is the direction of induced current determined in moving Mercury?

The direction of induced current in moving Mercury is determined by Lenz's law, which states that the direction of the induced current is such that it opposes the change in magnetic flux that caused it. This means that the induced current will flow in the opposite direction of the changing magnetic field.

5. What are some real-life applications of induced current in moving Mercury?

Induced current in moving Mercury is used in a variety of technologies, such as electric generators, transformers, and induction motors. It is also used in magnetic levitation systems and electromagnetic braking systems. Additionally, it plays a crucial role in the production of electricity from renewable energy sources, such as hydroelectric and wind power.

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